han Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sjxhxdaqxxxxcxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner deals and opens 1♦, RHO overcalls 1♠.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Did partner really open 1C? from your poll options it looks like he opened 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 2D if playing NFB3D if playing Mike lawrence style.(standard)(NV) I assume p opened 1club not 1D. 4D if partner opened 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Did partner really open 1C? from your poll options it looks like he opened 1D. I corrected it Justin, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 lol this hand sucks... First thought: 2D. No other higher bid really fits.Second thought: white/red and you're bidding 2D?!?! Come on man, you have 3 major suit cards. Preempt it up. Bid 5D and apply the pressure.Third thought: 5D?? Are you mad?? Partner's hand isnt defined here and this could just be a flyer. Bid 4D, suggesting good shape and not much defense. Let partner decide.Fourth thought: 4D? That'd be a great thought if partner could bid 3N over it...but he can't. Bid 3D.Fifth thought: 3D white red? Wouldn't you do this with much much less? You're too good for that. Bid 2S to show your playing strength.Sixth thought: 2S? With no defense or HCP? You're gonna love when partner starts smackin em. Just abstain, this problem is too hard. .........................................ahh.....lol. I'm going to bid 4D on the basis that it describes my hand very well and 3N is unlikely to be the best spot. It puts partner in a good spot to judge what to do... but as you can see I'm not really convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 5 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 5♦. Opps probably have fits in both majors. Tysen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=sjxhxdaqxxxxcxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner deals and opens 1♦, RHO overcalls 1♠.[/hv] It would be interesting to see a simulation showing partners expected Diamond length.In particular, what percentage of the time will partner have 3 Diamonds, which strongly suggests that partner is sitting on a 4432 13 count or some such. ♠ KT63♥ KQ93♦ KJ4♣ 87 In this case: 1. The opponents best fit is in Hearts not Spades2. Partner has a defensively oriented hand (his points more likely to be in the majors that in the minors) An immediate 5♦ bid puts the opps under a lot of presssure, however, the bid could easy result in a phantom sac. It also bypasses 3N. I'm bidding a tame 2♠, showing a game invitational hand with Diamond support.Please note: If I wanted to throw a monkey wrench into the opponents auction, I'd bid 3♥ as a fit showing jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I'm bidding 4♦--right on hand type and LOTT. I don't like trying for game. Too often partner will bid 3NT with a spades well stopped and they find a heart lead, leaving partner looking for six tricks from ♦ and the other three from heaven. Playing a weak NT so that partner has 4+ diamond (usually 5+) or extra values, I'd bid 5♦ with confidence. Like KS said, the biggest benefits of the weak NT come when you don't open it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Just 5♦ and live with the result. I could drive myself silly with what pard might or might not have - oops sorry looks like Justin already did :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 5D, though 4D has its merits. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I want to cater to all of pard's options (including that nasty 18-19 hcp hand) and if we only have 20 hcp then 3D is a nice sensible, descriptive bid (by me? unpossible!) btw, how much pressure you apply to pard has to be considered too. :D ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Any number of diamonds could be right here. Depends on what partner's hand is. Incidently, I presume 1D is SAYC style, theoretically 3+ but only 3 if exactly 4432 shape. I vote for 3D, since I'm concerned he may have a good hand, but without much conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Houston, we have lift-off! :o 2 and 1/6 votes for 3D......(3D was one of Justin's 6 thoughts ;) ) :D Sorry Mike, I didn't include 1/2 for yours as it was under the assumption of a 1C opener ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hum.. a psychic 3NT? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 4D. Feels about right. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 :D Hurrah! I can use LOTT, FTL, and the principle of the last guess on the same hand. FTL = 13-3-1 = 9 (-3 for the short suits and -1 [maybe -2] for our working HCP's)LOTT = 10 + 9 [or 10 + 8 +1] = 19 (or maybe 18 on a very bad day) 5♦ looks to be a standout based on the most probable situation which is 10 or 11 tricks for them and 8 or 9 for us. There is no guarantee it will be so, but bid'em up and let them guess. I plan to pass their five of a major, but pard may have the right hand to take the rare six diamond save. Curiously, I am more worried that partner may have a goodish hand than anything else. If there are 19 tricks split 10 for us and nine for them, then 5♦ falls between the cracks. However, I am only going to get one chance to bid in this auction, so I intend to make the best of it. P.S. If partner has the dreaded (but thankfully rather rare) 4-4-3-2 distribution, then we may not escape unscathed in 5♦, but I refuse to play scared bridge EVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Say hello equality.... in which one option is "other" {2NT} showing despirately weak preempt to 3♦. This hand is actually too good fo equality 2NT. That leaves 3♦.. showing long diamonds and smattering of good stuff. This way if the hand belongs to us, we haven't gone rocketmaning to 5♦ when 3NT is right. And if it is their hand, we have time to big again should we feel the need. Yes, to bid 3♦ then 5♦ is bad bridge, but to bid 5♦ when you have 9 tricks in NT, 5 tricks in either major, and 10 tricks in ♦ is bad too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 4NTIn this case,4♠ is rkc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sj5h6daq9765c10963&w=skq10743hak104dc542&e=sa9862hqj732d2cj8&s=sh985dkj10843cakq7]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] I bid 5D and the hand turned out to be echo-proof: partner made 11 tricks. At the other table the bid was only 3D, and the opponents were able to compete. The final contract was 6H doubled by east-west, which rolled home after a diamond lead. One hand proves nothing, but in my opinion the 3D bidder got exactly what he deserved: -19 IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Couple of issues... 1) even echo should win 12 tricks, not 11....2) 5♦ shouldn't buy the contract, and even if it does, you missed 6♦3) After 3♦, and then ♠ raise, surely south will bid ♣ for lead should that become necessary (after 3♦ equality style, opener always goes to at least 5♦)4) AFter 6♠-X north REALLY lead a ♦? What kind of doubles do they play? Not only does one hand prove nothing (you did miss 6♦, but what proof is that), but this one does not even prove that 3♦ is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Couple of issues... 1) even echo should win 12 tricks, not 11....2) 5♦ shouldn't buy the contract, and even if it does, you missed 6♦3) After 3♦, and then ♠ raise, surely south will bid ♣ for lead should that become necessary (after 3♦ equality style, opener always goes to at least 5♦)4) AFter 6♠-X north REALLY lead a ♦? What kind of doubles do they play? Not only does one hand prove nothing (you did miss 6♦, but what proof is that), but this one does not even prove that 3♦ is right. 1) I believe that Echo indeed made 12 tricks, my fault. 2) Who of the two has a clearcut bid over 5D NV against VUL? These were very good opponents. 3) I agree. I don't know this pair and I didn't look at their auction. 4) The contract was 6HX, and I don't know what this pair was doing. But even 6HX-1 is a nice pick-up for us. 5) There was no (5) We did miss 6D, but our result was better than the par spot. I do not think that an equality jump to 3D shows such a powerhouse. This hand is great both for NT and for ♦. 5D might miss slam, 3D might miss game. Bidding 3D followed by 5D over their 4M (which you will surely bid because 3D does not show this hand) is very bad in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 You also beat par on the hand (saying they missed 6D does not mean much when the other side can save in 6S down 1 on the best lead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sj5h6daq9765c10963&w=skq10743hak104dc542&e=sa9862hqj732d2cj8&s=sh985dkj10843cakq7]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] I bid 5D and the hand turned out to be echo-proof: partner made 11 tricks. At the other table the bid was only 3D, and the opponents were able to compete. The final contract was 6H doubled by east-west, which rolled home after a diamond lead. One hand proves nothing, but in my opinion the 3D bidder got exactly what he deserved: -19 IMPs. 1♦ then 1♠ ? Almost impossible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 What would a 4♥ bid mean? If it's splinter it would sure get us to slam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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