capelletti bidding problem

[pigpenz]

[hv=d=w&v=b&s=sq86ht943d9cjt864]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Auction:

1NT 2♦ pass 2♥

pass 2NT pass ?

 

 

# 2♦=majors

# 2NT not defined

 

 

 

YOUR CALL :P

[Guest Jlall]

4H. If partner can move over 2H I think I have a game bid. 4 trumps, a stiff, and Qxx of his side suit should be good enough. He's showing a good hand with 4 trumps, probably a 5422 hand type. All the finesses will be on.

[pbleighton]

4H. Pd must have a BIG hand, and he knows you can't have much.

 

Peter

[pigpenz]

yes thats what i thought they parnter must be showing a 5422 hand with 15+ hcp hand.

[iggygork]

Given that I am going to game (as did everyone else so far), I am going to bid 3♠ to offer a choice of games. I am hoping that 2NT was not "opps, I forgot." :P

[Al_U_Card]

Since a splinter in D is too bizarre, even if he has the rest of the deck, perhaps a 3C bid might help him if he wants to make more noise before settling back in game. I don't think that this could be construed as a q-bid, but only as a real suit. The only issue is if the suit quality is sufficient to be mentioning it since the opps have a lot of D cards staring at them.

[Guest Jlall]

couldn't it be a real suit and non forcing? IE 2236?

[Al_U_Card]

couldn't it be a real suit and non forcing? IE 2236?

Interesting thought, but pard knows that I likely have more (or better) H than S so, at worst, he would return to 3H which I would expect to pass.....(his 2NT must be showing a hand that is inviting game, and I didn't return quietly to 3H)

[Guest Jlall]

so with 5422 opp 2236 you have to play 3H?

[Al_U_Card]

so with 5422 opp 2236 you have to play 3H?

He's the guy that bid 2D and then 2NT asking for (trouble? ;) ) I'm just trying to help out a guy that might be 5-6-2-0 or whatever and has made a move, which he is free to pass but he knows I prefer hearts.

[Guest Jlall]

with 5620 I think he should probably bid 3/4H, not 2N.

[Al_U_Card]

with 5620 I think he should probably bid 3/4H, not 2N.

My devinatory powers being what they are, I'll stick to describing my hand as best I can given that if it was Fluffy, I would know that 2NT was forcing showing extras..... ;) (darn, wrong context! ;) )

[Guest Jlall]

if it was Fluffy, I would know that 2NT was forcing showing extras..... ;) (darn, wrong context! ;) )

lol :) I agree 2N shows extras, I also think 2S, 3C, 3D, and 3H would all show extras. Since partner has so many bids available to show extra values, I think each one should also be somewhat descriptive about shape.

[Al_U_Card]

Sounds like a sensible approach and since you postulated a 5422 hand for him, what's he looking for exactly?

[awm]

I'd imagine partner has something like:

 

AKxxx

KQJx

Ax

xx

 

He needs to know two things:

 

(1) Do you have a real fit? 2♥ could be on three or even two cards after all.

 

(2) Can your hand contribute something like 1.5 tricks to making a game?

 

With the example hand the answer is "yes" to both so 4♥ is the call.

[mikestar]

4♥--game should have a fair play but in practice partner can't have enough for slam to be worth investigating, so there is no point in bidding clubs or showing the diamond splinter. 3♠ choice of games might be right on a different type of hand, but with the diamond stiff, I want to have four trumps.

[inquiry]

"Crapelletti bidding problem?"...

 

Get use to it.

[awm]

"Crapelletti bidding problem?"...

 

Get use to it.

While I'm not a fan of cappelletti either, I don't think this "problem" hand has anything to do with the methods. In fact a strong major two suiter is easier to bid in capp than it would be in the popular Meckwell defense (where you double, then don't particularly want to bid 2♥ majors over 2♣ because partner is likely to pass). Playing something like Woolsey or Meyerson, you will have:

 

1NT-2♣ (majors) - Pass - 2♥

Pass - 2NT...

 

Basically the same auction and the same problem, although overcaller perhaps has the additional information that advancer's hearts are actually longer than spades (and not equal length).

[zasanya]

..... although overcaller perhaps has the additional information that advancer's hearts are actually longer than spades (and not equal length)......

Forgive my novice question but with ♠ 2-3-4 and ♥ J 10 9 what is the reply to cappelletti?

[mr1303]

Hmmm, isn't the hand suggested by AWM a penalty double of 1NT?

 

I would bid 2H holding JT9 in hearts, and 432 of spades.

[kfgauss]

..... although overcaller perhaps has the additional information that advancer's hearts are actually longer than spades (and not equal length)......

Forgive my novice question but with ♠ 2-3-4 and ♥ J 10 9 what is the reply to cappelletti?

Over a Cappelletti 2♦ you bid 2♥, but over a (Landy) bid of 2♣ for the majors, you'd bid 2♦ asking partner to bid his better/longer major so that you're guaranteed a 5-3 fit (ie in case partner is 5-4).

 

Andy

[Fluffy]

Partner can also be 5521 or 5512, I will bid 3♠ to show I have double fit, but little less, he might judge enouh or not.