sceptic Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=e&n=s42haq4dj763c9764&w=saqthkt9852dq98ck&e=skj976hda542cj852&s=s853hj763dktcaqt3]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass Pass 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass 2♥ Pass 3♣ Pass 3♠ Pass 4♠ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass comments welcomed about my x intended as lead directional (I can only say it was extrememly painful) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 There is nothing lead directing about the double, and even if there had been, how do you expect to defeat 4♠? You don't have any surprises for declarer, on the contrary: you know spades are breaking. The bottom line is: I guess you intended your double as a so called Lightner double (lead dummy's fist bid suit, partner). But a Lightner double does not apply at game level. It does at slam level. So if you want my honest opinion. Your double was not a good double. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Maybe I should add that declarer has to play the contract very well on a trump lead. Win in dummy, then a low heart and if North follows small, he must pitch! If not, he will get tapped. With ♥A dropping on the 3rd round, he will be able to set up the heart suit. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 agree with roland, this is just a penalty X. even if it wasn't, you cant gaurantee a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Even if pard were to take this dbl as a lead-directing dbl, it would still be a gamble because there is no reason to suspect this goes down on any lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 i cant see how this was lead directing either!And even if partner leads a heart no way you can be sure that it will make it easier to beat 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 If you make a lead directing double, it must be to tell partner that you think that lead beats the contract. It is not enough just to say you think that is the best lead. Suppose you make a lead directing double and direct partner to the only lead which doesn't concede an overtrick. What happens? You get a bottom! On this hand you can't really be at all certain that a Heart lead would beat the contract. In fact, since on the bidding declarer is practically marked with ♥ shortage, there is no guarantee from your point of view that a Heart is even the best lead. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 yes even agaisnt 6 you cant be sure you can beat it, but a double of 6♠ i could buy but not of 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Hi, the double is penalty, either with a trump stack,or you can infer that partner holds a trump stack and the cards are placed badly for delclarer. This last possiility, is a dangerous one. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I was South and guessed that Wayne probably wanted a heart lead. Also, I had the feeling that something went wrong during the auction (EW being a pick-up partnership), and maybe Wayne doubled on the same basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I think a trump is fairly obvious on the auction, and looking at the South hand only. Declarer showed a club side suit. I am looking at AQ10x. When do I get club tricks? When dummy is out of trumps. I wouldn't have taken the double as lead directing (they don't exist at game level in a suit contract). Let declarer try to make it on a trump lead. Yes, he can, as I pointed out in a previous post, but he must play it very well. I am sure that few will find the winning line, i.e. pitching a club when a heart is led off dummy. The double is ..... well, strange, but even so, that wouldn't keep me away from my "natural" trump lead. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 If you intended the double as asking for a heart lead then I think it was bad, there's no reason to think you need a heart lead to defeat 4♠, if declarer has some heart losers where is he going to discard them? I think the bidding asked for a trump lead and doubling risks pd leading something else so I would just be quiet since I like the normal lead suggested by the bidding. I also want to mention that I have a different view about "speculative" doubles than many other players, for some players any doubled game that is made means the double was a bad double I disagree with that approach, from time to time I think it is fine to double if you think the contract is not going to be easy to make. Luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I also want to mention that I have a different view about "speculative" doubles than many other players, for some players any doubled game that is made means the double was a bad double I disagree with that approach, from time to time I think it is fine to double if you think the contract is not going to be easy to make. Luis Agree but this does not seem like the hand for a spec X. You know everything is splitting and if declarer has someting like a stiff heart (not unlikely) opp the KJT (not unlikely) the ruffing fineeses will work etc. You should at least have some kind of surprise for a spec X, like a stiff trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I also want to mention that I have a different view about "speculative" doubles than many other players, for some players any doubled game that is made means the double was a bad double I disagree with that approach, from time to time I think it is fine to double if you think the contract is not going to be easy to make. Luis Agree but this does not seem like the hand for a spec X. You know everything is splitting and if declarer has someting like a stiff heart (not unlikely) opp the KJT (not unlikely) the ruffing fineeses will work etc. You should at least have some kind of surprise for a spec X, like a stiff trump. Agree this is not the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Interesting Wayne how you manage to organize your own individual bridge class every few days, with world class instructors. Very cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted September 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 actually they are the cool ones for helping us all :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Yes, a trump lead sound good, I have clubs and it looks as if declarer needs to ruff clubs in the dummy. Not sure I would have thought of that without the double, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 No, it's a very common disease. "The non trump lead syndrome". Not sure what the remedy is. A trump lead is right much more often than one may think, and yet we see it rarely. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I'll ask Alex. He offers sound medical advice. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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