inquiry Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sa6hkj3dqt64ckq62]133|100|Scoring: IMPBPO-005CEAST SOUTH WEST NORTH 1♠ DBL 2♠ DBL 3♠ ? your bid RHO opens 1♠, you dbl, LHO raises to 2♠ partner doubles, RHO bids 3♠ to you. [/hv]] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double looks straightforward enough with the extras. Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim. I'm leading A♠, ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 3NT taking tricks 1 and 7 thru 14. X for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double looks straightforward enough with the extras. Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim. I'm leading A♠, ♠. You mention your lead, what exactly do you mean X to mean (it seems you are implying penalty, but I'm not sure). Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 We are likely to have identical distribution and going any higher will not be a succes. Given that partner has basically described her strength I think that double should show something like this. I voted for pass. I'm not proud of it, call me a chicken if you want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double looks straightforward enough with the extras. Values look a little soft for 3N, and while pard ostensibly shows the minors (I hope this poll clarifies this point) the total tricks on the hand look slim. I'm leading A♠, ♠. You mention your lead, what exactly do you mean X to mean (it seems you are implying penalty, but I'm not sure). Just curious. Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here. yes I would say impossible given your t/o X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I voted for DBL as well, denies ♥ and shows a balanced hand, with extra for the dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 3NT X is a very close second choice. Excellent choice who like partner to make the last and losing choice where we can explain why x gave partner the only winning choice :). Pass for Math majors. :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dbl, optional. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 DBL, blame transfer. I like those doubles when playing opp my usual pard. He's more likely to get decisions right than I am, plus he's bigger than me so more blame can stick to him. :) (To be serious: I think that double is extras, and the likely result of these doubles is to be left in.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Pass. My hand isn't that great and why should we be able to make anything? And vice versa, why should 3♠ go down? I'm worried about partner having a mirror hand to mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos59 Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Pass. I would double at matchpoints but at imps Idon't want to risk ulcers for 100 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 i voted double also... with 4 hearts i'd bid 4H, so maybe partner will read me for 13(45) or 2344 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I voted for 3NT, but I'm now regretting it, as it seems all too likely to exchange a plus for a negative. The presumed double-fit in the minors makes me unconvinced that double is the right action, but as the hand is otherwise perfect for it, I think that's what I'd prefer. I'm too much of a coward to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 BPO-005C: Pass I HATE the initial doubt. I strongly prefer a 1NT overcall. Yes my stopper is Ax, reducing my ability to hold up until the third round of Spades. Yes, I'm slightly light for the auction. Balanced against this, I only have 3 Hearts. More importantly, if the auction gets competitive, I'm going to be very poorly positioned to describe my hand. Having decided to start with the imperfect double, I'm forced to pass. Any other action at this point in time, would be a gross distortion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here. yes I would say impossible given your t/o X. The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction 1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here. yes I would say impossible given your t/o X. The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction 1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me. That is hard for me to believe. I'm sure they would all X with 3442 18 count, for instance. Are you sure the majority meant it as penalty oriented (ie trumps) and not just extra values without 4 spades? Do you have any idea which month/problem it is, I don't recall this problem. Curious though, maybe I am out of touch :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double ought to be cooperative. Very unlikely I have a stack here. yes I would say impossible given your t/o X. The Bridge World MSC recently had the auction 1♣-X-P-1♠, 2♣-X which IIRC the majority took as penalty orientated (probably 19-21 bal). Surprised me. (1S)-X-(2S)-X(3S)-X versus (1C)-X-(P)-1S(2C)-X These are quite different beast. Let's look at them quickly. In the first case, if you have 19-21 something is terribly wrong with the deck. Your partner has enough to encourage you to bid at the three level (let's guess 10), West has enough to open and to rebid and east has something to riase to 2S on (don't need many points however). I calculate this as around 48 to 50 hcp. This second double here can't be the strong hand, there isn't enough points in the normal deck. A double here has to show extras and be either "optional" or takeout. If optional, it leaves the door open for 3NT I think. The second one, you ASKED your partner to bid a suit. After he bid that suit, you have "trump agreement" as far as I am concerned. True doubler mgiht have a GOSH hand (good-one-suited-hand) but then the second double would make no sense). So a second "takeout double" is not needed. After your partner has bid 1♠ if you hand a hand with bal 15=18 you would have overcalled 1NT, so the bigger balanced hand is the obvious hand for this double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 The second one, you ASKED your partner to bid a suit. After he bid that suit, you have "trump agreement" as far as I am concerned. True doubler mgiht have a GOSH hand (good-one-suited-hand) but then the second double would make no sense). So a second "takeout double" is not needed. After your partner has bid 1♠ if you hand a hand with bal 15=18 you would have overcalled 1NT, so the bigger balanced hand is the obvious hand for this double. Do you ever X 1C with 3442 or 3451? I do not think simply because partner bid 1S over your takeout X and you do not have a 1 suited hand you are forced to play in spades. Strangely, despite the fact that I disagreed with everything else you said we both agree the bigger balanced hand is the most likely hand for this X. That does not make it penalty oriented of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Good points Ben. Justin - August 05, Problem F. Just looking now...KJ62 7542 Q643 7, Kleinman found a pass of this 2nd double, and at least a few others considered it to show a big bal hand. Like you, I'd have expected typical shapes to be 3451 and 3442. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Good points Ben. Justin - August 05, Problem F. Just looking now...KJ62 7542 Q643 7, Kleinman found a pass of this 2nd double, and at least a few others considered it to show a big bal hand. Like you, I'd have expected typical shapes to be 3451 and 3442. hehe...well I don't think 1 person is the majority. There is always 1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sa6hkj3dqt64ckq62]133|100|Scoring: IMPBPO-005CEAST SOUTH WEST NORTH 1♠ DBL 2♠ DBL 3♠ ? your bid RHO opens 1♠, you dbl, LHO raises to 2♠ partner doubles, RHO bids 3♠ to you. [/hv]] This hand had a optical illusion to me. At first I felt the big urge to bid 3NT, but then I thought it was quite a gamble, that would need probably to expect to pick up BOTH minors for no losers, an eventuality against odds, by listening to the bidding. The second urge was "What the heck, if I cannot bid 3NT I'll double!"; but yet again, it is not clear we are going to defeat the contract by much if opps can score 8-9 tricks in the major and ruff the second round of our minors. My third, and final consideration was the following:"After all, this is a minimum opener, despite 15 hcp; if I did not hold the J of hearts, I'd pass. Better pass and leave to pard the choice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Double and lead trumps. Ax is the worst trump holding of course as trumps rate to be 6-3. But if I can cut down 1 ruff in dummy, then we might set this. I do not believe this double to be penalty (you made a T/O double to begin with). But p has asked you to choose a suit and you do not have a good suit for partner. Only way to tell him this is with pass or double. I think pass is a bit on the wimpy side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 i voted for pass its the chicken in me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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