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[JLOGIC]

Mike, I understand your position let me just tell you my thoughts (about drury).

 

1) If you like bergen, you can still play it. Drury could just be used to show a 3 card limit. This is not my preference, but the 2 are not exclusive. You could also play 2 way drury but I know you'll hate that idea :P

 

2) Getting to the 3 level fast is not that important when both opponents have passed. You don't really need to preempt them. Yes I know its *possible* they have a game, but you might consider the likelihood that 2 passed hands have a game AND will bid it AND wont bid it if you get to the 3 level quickly. Even when they can effectively compete and push you to 3, you haven't lost anything, and a lot of times they cant compete even when it's right.

 

3) You can of course use game tries even playing drury. kfguass just evaluates this hand as not a game try. I don't think the range is much different between raises by a PH hand and an UPH in normal drury, a drury still shows a limit raise (a hand evaluated as too good to show a normal raise). If you want to include good constructive hands, thats a matter of agreement but not standard as far as I know.

 

4) I agree, you must consider the gains and the losses. The gains are basically the ability to stay at the 2 level opposite a limit raise in an opener that is potentially light, and the ability to thoroughly investigate slam and game. With drury you get to MAKE game tries that you wouldnt in bergen (where it would go 1H p 3D or 1H p 1N p 2x p 3H). This investigation is helpful. You lose a natural 2C bid, but how likely is it to come up? You need about 9-10 with a 6 card suit (some 10s you would open) or 10 with a 5 card suit. I don't rate the loss that high.

 

The correct response to mike777 was "LOL." What is this long post?!

 

Anyways strongly agree with game trying still, keep fightin the good fight jlall!