adhoc3 Posted September 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 uhhh, gun, pills or a rope? (=dbl,pass or a 4NT) name your poison.... :) .All nice comments, but I love this the most. The more you strugle the deeper you'll be traped. Personally, I would score "PASS" the TOP, and 4NT "BOTTOM". I will follow the saying: "when you are fixed, stay fixed." Both hand in real (never important, but for curiosity only:)))) ♠x ♥AKxxxx ♦xx ♣AKxx♠Q ♥Qx ♦QJxxx ♣QJTxx 4♠ Making5♠ Making, DoubledAny 5 of your own down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Pass, and 4NT would be just blackwood to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 I'm another passer. To me 4NT would also be takeout, but I wouldn't be certain that it was both minors. Could it not be one long minor and some heart support, looking to play in one of those two suits? The problem with that is it would deny you the strong route to 5♥, if partner bid 5♦ over 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 2 suiters just don't do good against 1 suiters, I learned that the hard way, but won't forget that lesson <_<, but maybe this is another question on style, since 2♥ promises 6 cards to me (unless very strong), and others don't play this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 :blink: With regard to the original question, I think it is worth counting the opponents' potential tricks in four spades. Oddly enough, my soft holdings in the minors look good for defense because (barring a real freak) it means they have only four potential tricks in the minors (AK and AK), and partner figures to cover at least one of those as well as the heart suit. This means that to make four spades, they would probably have to score seven (possibly eight) spade tricks. Lots of ways for this to happen (if they are 5-5 in spades and there is a 4-2 or 3-1 holding in a side suit), but I think more where it isn't so. Against this are our iffy prospects with a five level save. Bidding on does not make sense to me. Partner does, after all, have another bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Nothin personal, Hannie :D I do not doubt, for a moment, that the majority of posters (including you) bid 4N because to them it is clear that 4N is always takeout on this auction. My comments were intended to address a persistent aspect of this and similar forums. Some posters assume that bids mean what they want them to mean: that is, I am willing to bet that some readers/posters 'agree' with 4N as takeout on this post because they 'need' it to be takeout on the given hand and that those same posters (not you :D ) might, 6 months from now, on a different post, approve of 4N as keycard because they 'need' it to be keycard when I post Axx Kxxx KQJxx x on the same auction. Have you not noticed the same tendency in (a minority) of posts on this forum? Maybe I am just too cynical.I didn't take it personally, don't worry, but I was quite surprised when I read your remark. Perhaps my reaction was stronger than it should have been. Regarding your question, I haven't noticed this tendency, maybe I'm not cynical enough :blink:. I do notice a fairly large group of people who think that they know "the answer" to difficult bridge questions (an interesting phenomenon) but that is a different issue. Just to be clear, I don't think that you are one of those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 1. On the original hand, You have at least a likely 6-2 H fit and a probable 5-3+ fit in a minor. 2. You have no defence in terms of quick tricks - in fact zero controls. 3. If the opponents' bidding is an accurate reflection of their hands they have at least 9 trumps and if they also possess some distribution eg a singleton in each hand, there is every reason to suggest that 4S will be cold - and possibly more. 4. At the stipulated favourable vulnerability you are more likely than not to gain imps by bidding (it may make eg 2-6 (41) or provide a godd save or they may get to the 5 level going down. 5. if 4NT is t/o it is not a bad bid (by contrast a double "for takeout" at this level should stipulate some defensive values - not necessarily trumps). 6. THe strong hand given as the alternative to the weak 55: Axx Kxxx KQJxx x is an excellent example of a high-level fit-showing jump eg opposite the perfecto of x Axxxxx Axx Axx or similar a grand is possible and with additional length in D and say slightly better H, he may wish to take the push over 6S anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Pass, wtp ? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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