never table an 8-card suit.

[han]

You hold J xx AQJxxxxx xx, partner deals and opens 2D, multi, RHO passes. Your call.

 

This Multi 2D opening includes weak hands in either major, 22-24 balanced hands and strong minor suited hands. No strong hands with majors.

[whereagles]

2S for me. Don't mind to play 3H if pard has them.

 

Passing is possible, but only if the multi has no strong variations.

[awm]

Pass could be right, but it will be embarrassing and bad for the partnership if opener has 22-24 balanced and we play our grand in 2♦. Might be another good hand for mini-multi.

 

I'll try 2♥ (pass/correct). If we play there I'd be surprised, since opponents have a rather large number of spades and most of the values. If partner corrects to 2♠, perhaps I can try 3♦ over that (not sure if that is suggesting a contract, or some kind of forward-going bid with a spade fit in your methods).

[david_c]

Completely agree with awm. 2♥.

[inquiry]

Don't Pass...... :-)

 

As it turns out... your partner would be lucky if you did pass... .and it went all pass...... as opponents are laydown for 4♠ (I believe).

 

Depending upon your methods, I think 3♦ here is the best bid. Pass however, at least caters to the most common hand your parnter can hold (weak two in major).

[mike777]

5D

 

second choice 4D

 

Wow! These responses really tell me I have no idea how to play Multi. These bids never entered into my options.

[Echognome]

A lot of what responses you can play to 'bump' an auction in multi depend on your strong options. From what you play, your only real fear of bidding some number of diamonds is that partner holds a strong hand with a minor and you've just preempted him out of showing his hand. In my system where we include 4441 strong hands, I'd be worried about preempting p and bidding in his singleton, not because I'm worried about the 8-1 fit, but that partner will never know when to raise. That being said, it just depends on your agreements. I don't think playing 3♣ and 3♦ as NF is really playable. So, I'd probably go down the road of a simple 2♥. It's certainly not ideal. But then again, it's not often that you are going to come by an 8 card suit like this.

[Free]

easy 2♥ imo. Passing is no option! Starting with 2♥ is the only way to be able to signoff in 3♦.

[Guest Jlall]

The vulnerability and form of game is important to me.

 

favorable I think 5D is pretty easy. Could be wrong but it certainly rates to be a good save vs their 4M (whichever M they have). If pard has 22-24, he'll know what to do :D

 

white/white and red/red I would also bid 5D at imps, though it seems less clear and could work out poorly. I don't think it will be phantom so I'm hoping worst case we go for 500 or 800 vs their 420 or 620, and this applies maximum pressure.

 

white/white or red/red at MP I would just bid 2H (assuming 4D doesnt show this) as 500 vs 420 or 450 is a disaster.

 

red/white I would always bid 2H.

[cherdano]

easy 2♥ imo. Passing is no option! Starting with 2♥ is the only way to be able to signoff in 3♦.

Why do we want to signoff in 3♦ with an 8-card suit? At unfavourable there may be some value in doing so, but otherwise, I want to be in 5♦ as fast as possible (if its not MP).

 

Arend

[SoTired]

even if partner has a 6-card heart weak 2 and void in diam, diam is likely to be a better contract.

 

So 3D, 4D, or 5D

[Guest Jlall]

even if partner has a 6-card heart weak 2 and void in diam, diam is likely to be a better contract.

 

So 3D, 4D, or 5D

I have no idea what 4D would mean but im guessing 3D is forcing.

[inquiry]

even if partner has a 6-card heart weak 2 and void in diam, diam is likely to be a better contract.

 

So 3D, 4D, or 5D

I have no idea what 4D would mean but im guessing 3D is forcing.

For me, 3♦ is forcing. 4♦ shows responder with 5♠ and 4♥, and 5♦ is to play. My plan would be, for what it is worth, to bid 3♦ then 4♦ and hope to get to play there....

 

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

[cherdano]

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

So how did opponents manage to pass 2♦ out with ~25 hcp and a big major fit?

 

Arend

[SoTired]

Ben, is that a commonly accepted response structure to multi-2D?

 

If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

[Fluffy]

5♦! :D

[inquiry]

Also for what it is worth, the pass woth this hand gained a half a dozen imps.... Everything was wrong, and you have to lose 1♦, 1♠, 1♥ and 2♣, so 2♦ is your limit. So, GREAT pass.... :-).... .but I think never pass with this is right. As for 5♦, vul was "both"

So how did opponents manage to pass 2♦ out with ~25 hcp and a big major fit?

 

Arend

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Well.. to be fair... what kind of hand passes... 2♦? Not this kind. So West would be expected to have like 0 to 2 points and a lot of diamonds. So if west has no points, and if EAST had weak two hand... how many points would that leave south with? Your guess is as good as mind, I would think somewehre around 18, and he would have a long major (the one that EAST did not have). So from north's point of view, EAST most certainly is probably looking at a balanced 23-24 hcp. To bid at these colors could be very bad perhaps.....

[P_Marlowe]

2H, wtp?

 

Over 2S bid 3D, which has

to be natural and a sign of.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Al_U_Card]

Would 2NT over the 2D be a game force? I think it likely that 5D could end up the contract so why not fert a wee dram.......btw my version of the title concludes with....unless it is trump. :D

[Guest Jlall]

Ben, is that a commonly accepted response structure to multi-2D?

 

If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

if you accept those numbers, I don't think it even nearly compenasates. If partner has a weak 2 in a major they will have a game, and you will let them in easily and they will find it. I'm not sure what the upside is of passing, but playing a grand in 2D will certainly net you a zero.

[Guest Jlall]

So basically the opps were cold for 4S, and you go for 800 in 5D X. This is not that unexpected (see my first post here). However if it goes 2D p 5D X p south may bid 5S. Or north may not X. A forcing 3D may also shut them out. Interesting hand.

[inquiry]

Ben, is that a commonly accepted response structure to multi-2D?

 

If you held this hand 10 times, passing and saving a trick in diam 9 times when partner has a weak-2 will be washed away by the 1 time you miss the grand.

I hope you went up and read my first response where I said "DON'T PASS".... passing 2♦ is wrong imho. So don't try to restate my position. Now, I happened to have the hand that opened 2♦ and my partner passed... so I was just relating what happened... I would have bid a forcing "value showing" 3♦ at these colors, and then over 3M tried four diamonds. I feel tey have too good a chance to make game if i pass... turns out the pass did its own dirty work.....

[han]

Both sides were vulnerable, sorry for not mentioning this.

 

I had the hand and passed. I appreciate all the comments, I don't have much experience with multi 2D and clearly it was wrong to pass.

 

I didn't mention that south took a really long time before passing. I didn't want the discussion to be centered around this fact, but I did tell Ben this right after the hand (table feel Ben, remember? :-) ). Since it was online and the whole table (including south) was having a discussion of BBO scoring (and whether the highest and lowest scores should be dropped for comparison) it may very well be that this hesitation had nothing to do with south's hand. However, I did think that south had a good hand, so it seemed absolutely clear that partner had a preempt. Passing gained 7.6 IMPs, this would have been much more if more of the field got to 4S.

 

Did north have a clear balance over 2D? I'm not sure. Did south have a clear 2S overcall? I don't think so.

 

BTW I don't think that bidding 5D vulnerable is the way to go, partner has warned you of the misfit. 3D constructive but non-forcing is nice if available, 2H and 2S both seem reasonable options.

[Al_U_Card]

Passing gained 7.6 IMPs, this would have been much more if more of the field got to 4S.

What were the 16 traveller results for this hand?

[pmacfar]

Not too long ago in a local club game, I picked up a hand with eight spades to the AK, Qxx in hearts and Qx in clubs and my partner opened 1NT.

 

Figuring that partners points were mostly outside the spade suit and that he held at least two spades, I made a 2H transfer bid and then went into Blackwood, ending in 6S, figuring that the only way it would go down was if my LHO had all three missing spades topped by the Q.

 

Partner had Jx in spades, which split 2-1, and AK in both hearts and clubs, making 7.

 

Got a top score on that board.

 

Phil