Double or wait?

[Fluffy]

Pick up partner. opponents vulnerable and you get

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&s=s4haj62dj63ckj652]133|100|Scoring: IMP

E - S - W - N

1♥-ps-1♠-ps

2♣-ps-2NT-ps

3♣-??[/hv]

[mikeh]

I very much doubt that the option of passing and doubling later will become available. Against even semi-competent opps, the most likely problem you will face after a pass is choosing a lead. Only if LHO is something like 4=2=5=2 or 5=2=4=2 will you get another chance, and even then, many wests would pass with a minimum and, say, xx Qx in the two suits.

 

Will they go down in 3♣? Yes... more likely than not.

 

Will my double help declarer in the play? Yes.... almost certainly the double will cost at least a trick

 

So I pass. I may be trading 200 for 200... down an extra trick undoubled.

 

I may be trading 200 for 500, of course. But once in a while I may be trading 100 or 200 for -710.

 

Try

 

AQxx     x

xx         KQxxx

Kxxx     Ax

Q93      A10874

 

Good luck beating 3♣... and west may send it back ;)

 

Yes, this gives partner KJxxxxx xx Qxxx void: partner is a pickup partner so probably wouldn't bid 2♠ even at favourable.

[pbleighton]

Clear pass, IMO.

 

Peter

[Guest Jlall]

easy pass. I would need much better club spots to consider a X. The risk/reward is just not right, especially factoring in the fact that you help them play it.

[pclayton]

                          AQxx                             x

                          xx                                    KQxxx

                          Kxxx                             Ax

                          Q93                                A10874

 

Good luck beating 3♣... and west may send it back B) 

 

Lets see, both hands are absolute maxs for this auction, and there is just about zero duplication.

 

At MPs, I think I'll crack it hoping for 200. Anything less than whats in Mike's 2 hands will cause 3♣ to fail on the bad breaks, and it could be a lot worse.

 

At IMPs, its tougher. I hate -670. Since they are red, they might stretch for some silly game, that I will then saw off.

[pigpenz]

if it goes down ill be happy to take a plus, a plus is a plus B)

Your partner maybe sitting over there with six ♠'s and the last thing you want him to do is bid.

[P_Marlowe]

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Your partner maybe sitting over there with six ♠'s and the last thing you want him to do is bid.

He wont do that.

 

The double is for penalty.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

if you want to double them, you have to do it now,

i.e. your 3rd option is no option.

 

I voted for double, but having read the comments, I

think this decision is probably wrong, but a lot depends

on the quality of your opponents.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Jurek S]

Pick-up partner ? BBO expert ? Don't even think about dbl - he will bid ♠ B)

[P_Marlowe]

Pick-up partner ? BBO expert ? Don't even think about dbl - he will bid ♠ :)

Really? No, he may be unsure about the meaning,

but he will never bid the opponents suit as natural.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Jurek S]

Take Mike construction and replace ♠Q by J.

Your partner's hand

♠ KQTxxxx

♥ xx

♦ Qxxx

♣ -

 

and he will bid 3♠ - anyway batter than 3♣ doubled arguing that he can't even imagin a bridge player not strong enough to bid 2♣ after 1♥ and doubling opps for penalty in a vul partial knowing at least 22-23 HP between them.

Would he be that wrong ?

[Fluffy]

your partner is not regular partner, not stupid, he knows what a penalty double is. Don't dream of him moving out when it makes :)

[Al_U_Card]

All of yours and pards cards are badly placed. You will lead a trump and collect what you get.

[adhoc3]

I dont worry about leading after immediately dbl, a ♠. since their bidding seems narmal, I suspected most of other guys sitting at the same seat would draw their red card. However, seems 50% would not:)) In imps games, maybe not dbl accepatble.

 

If your PD release opps by bidding anything after dbl, I would suggest you change pD.

[Fluffy]

The full hand was something like...

 

[hv=n=sakxxxxxhxxdkxxc9&w=sqj109h9xdaqxxxc107&e=sxhkq108xd10xcaq843&s=sxhajxxdjxxckj6xx]399|300|[/hv]

 

There is a huge difference between passing and doubling since doubling brings 500/800, while if you pass like I did, West bids 3♥, and partner tries 3♠ that goes 300, sure he should bid 2♠ previous round, but he didn't want a missunderstanding... you see <_<.

[cf_John0]

Pick up partner. opponents vulnerable and you get

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&s=s4haj62dj63ckj652]133|100|Scoring: IMP

E - S - W - N

1♥-ps-1♠-ps

2♣-ps-2NT-ps

3♣-??[/hv]

pass,otherwise I'd have bid aggressive 2C earlier! Excepting I'm not at the table.

[han]

I voted for double.

 

East has more or less declined a game try so must be quite minimal. West can't have anything extra or would have bid a vulnerable game herself. All cards arer badly placed and the suits are splitting very badly. Looks like a double to me!

 

 

Now I have read the other comments and I'm not so sure any more. I'm glad to see I'm not all alone in doubling though.

[the hog]

I would have passed an assumed the opponents were at least semi competent. I would have been wrong on both counts. Why West did not bid 2H over 2C is known only to himself.

[Guest Jlall]

I would have passed an assumed the opponents were at least semi competent.

Always a dangerous assumption :blink:

[Elianna]

The full hand was something like...

 

[hv=n=sakxxxxxhxxdkxxc9&w=sqj109h9xdaqxxxc107&e=sxhkq108xd10xcaq843&s=sxhajxxdjxxckj6xx]399|300|[/hv]

 

There is a huge difference between passing and doubling since doubling brings 500/800, while if you pass like I did, West bids 3♥, and partner tries 3♠ that goes 300, sure he should bid 2♠ previous round, but he didn't want a missunderstanding... you see :blink:.

Very scarily for me, I find myself agreeing with the Hog, and wonder why W did not bid 2H. I also wonder why partner doesn't trust me to remember our agreements, and bid 2s the first time. Do I have a habit of forgetting agreements like that?

[Fluffy]

Do I have a habit of forgetting agreements like that?

What you had is no agreement