Reset the Score

[taken]

Suggest that the score be reset automatically when a new player joines the table. It seems that a number of players don't know how to reset, or ignor the request to reset. :)

[Elianna]

If people ignore your request to reset, that might be an indication that they are not people you'd want to play with.

 

Some players prefer not to reset the score when a new person arrives, sometimes because they like the ability to go back and look over hands (either they don't know about myhands, or want instant gratification). Other times it's because they like having a record of how they've been doing at their session, and the change of opps doesn't matter to them.

 

Either way, I think that those players might be upset if the score auto-reset.

 

As I don't play much in the MBC, and only with friends if I do, I don't really have an opinion either way.

[asdfg2k]

I am one of those that asks the host never to reset the score (whether my side is ahead or behind - it doesn't matter) and I attempt to not reset the score when I am host.

 

Yes, I'm aware of myhands.

 

If you want to call it instant gratification, be my guest. I call it efficient use of time.

 

When host I usually add this note to the table notes for all to see before deciding whether to join:

 

"I do not reset the score. If this matters to you, please do not join."

 

The score is meaningless. If you MUST know your score, you can (or I can) add it up in a split second. Even if you have played for 20 hands against me. The movie, on the other hand, is obliterated when the score is reset. No recovery. No going back. No way to merely add up a few numbers easily available to return to where you would have been.

 

It is such a one-sided decision, really. I CAN put you back to where you would have been just by adding up a few scores. I CAN'T put me back to where I would have been because the movie is obliterated. And please, myhands, is no substitute. Even if I could fire it up in a browser immediately, I still have to make multiple clicks just to get to the traveller.

 

Why is it fair for someone who feels the way I do to have to waste their time by having to twiddle their thumbs while dummy in lieu of productively using that time to review past hands when the score is so easily determinable for someone's time at the table? I'll even post it every hand, if you like.

 

In a perfect world, the software would be changeable to allow the movie to not be obliterated when the score is reset. I've been told this is a major undertaking.

[jillybean]

Agree losing the movie is worse than starting with exisiting scores.

 

I only allow or ask for the score to be cleared if I am behind. :lol:

[helene_t]

In a perfect world, the software would be changeable to allow the movie to not be obliterated when the score is reset. I've been told this is a major undertaking.

Sounds simple to me. (But I might be wrong, I have no idea about the software architecture).

 

However, it may not be trivial to define what is wanted. Maybe a seperate total score should be computed for each of the four playes, restricted to the boards that he/she actually played. But this won't work with rubber scoring since the vulnarability would then be ambigious.

[cherdano]

What a great site BBO is if this is a thing we can worry about..

[Gerben42]

I would just like that the movies don't disappear when you reset the score. I don't care much about the score that is listed at the top, but I do want to be able to see my previous boards so I can go back to them regardless of opponents who want that score reset.

[asdfg2k]

I suspect we will need a groundswell of support for your position, Gerben, before something which apparently is not trivial finds its way to the top of the "to do" list.

[1eyedjack]

This subject has come up before, sometimes at my instigation. My suggestion was perhaps more complex to program than even the simple proposal of unlinking the score-reset from the movie review. I had suggested that each player at the table (not just table host) should be able to reset the score visible only to that player (as well as not destryoying the movie review for others, it would leave the running total score of others unchanged).

 

Clearly my suggestion is even more complicated than the "simpler" proposal and may have to wait.

 

The relative priorities of enhancements are of course governed by two factors: (1) how difficult is the programming and (2) how important is the change.

 

Obviously I cannot comment on the difficulty of the programming, but I would like to add my voice regarding the importance of the change.

 

Cherdano suggests that this is a trivial matter, and indeed I would agree if all parties at the table understood the insignificance of the running score and the consequences of resetting it.

 

Unfortunately some players, typically those new to the site, (1) regard (in error) the running score to be an accurate and significant statistic and (2) are unaware that the effect of resetting the score is to wipe out the movie. THOSE players take umbrage at resistance to their requests for resetting the score. That umbrage is ill informed but nonetheless real, and can cause players to form an unjustified instant dislike for particular other players, and there may be no opportunity to correct it. This causes a problem out of proportion to that which is superficially presented in the case where all players understand the software.

[P_Marlowe]

I suspect we will need a groundswell of support for your position, Gerben, before something which apparently is not trivial finds its way to the top of the "to do" list.

If you need another vote .-), here it is.

 

I donot like resetting the score because ot this,

I think the movies are stored on my local PC,

... but I am lazy.

 

Is there a possibility to merge movies?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[inquiry]

Is there a possibility to merge movies?

It can be done manually with some difficulty. Open both movies with Notepad. Cut and paste the hands (starting from the first qx|ox| where ox is the board number) from the second one to the end of the first one.

 

In the first file (the one you added the lines too), find the first line that starts...

 

vg|Bridge Base Online,IMP Pairs,P,1,12,,,,|

 

The 1 is the starting board number, the 12 is the ending... change the 12 to include all the boards you added....

There is a physical limit to the number of hands you can include in one lin file, I don't remember what it is (maybe 99?).

 

The next field is the results... it starts...

rs|2CN+2,,5NW+1,,4SS=,,2SN-3,,4SW+1,,3HW=,,4SN=,,3NE-2,,5SN=,,2CE-1,,1NE+1,,4SN-2,,|

 

This format is fairly obvious... just cut the results from the second file and add to the first... be sure not to add the rS or either vertical lines....

 

Next comes the player names (often with loads of commas)... just cut and paste the names and all the commas. One comman in the wrong place or left out can cause odd results related to displaying names.

 

Then comes the scores.. .These are lost in the file when scores are reset..so not sure if this will help much... they begin...

 

mp|0.8,,8.1,,0.5,,,7.1,,0.3,,4.0,2.5,,4.3,,1.5,,3.1,,,1.8,,7.3,,2.5,,0.4

 

Just merge these.. or go to myhands to figure out what the missing scores are....Here the commas decide who gets the scores. Let's exmaine the first few scores from above.. On board one, NS got 0.8 imps. If EW were to get those the line would be... mp|,0.8

 

This displays 0.8 on the North column, nothing on the EAST. If you wanted you could have written mp|0.8,-0.8

 

Which would give a plus score to one side and minus to the other. the second comma starts board two. Nothing after the second comma means on Board 2, NS got nothing, then the next comma set appart EW score, who got 8.1. Clearly a comma in the wrong place here messes up a lot of scores later.

 

Then there are the board numbers, this is self-evident...

 

bn|1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12|

 

Just include the slew of board numbers for the file you paste from.

 

But really, resetting the score messes this up, because the scores from the earlier hands are then no longer saved in the lin file.

[Rain]

You lost me after "difficulty" Ben. :)

[shoeless]

Hee hee Rain you tricked me - a while back I created an 'inquiry factor' for viewing posts. If the poster's name was inquiry and the length of the post was more than 4 lines I knew I wouldn't understand it and skipped it. But you made me read this one to find out where the word difficulty was in the post - of course because I was on your post it was simplest to start reading Ben's post backwards for expediency sake - saves scrolling back to the top then through again. And of course it took all the way to the last (actually first) sentence to find it. So Rain in future could you say something like - you lost me after the word difficulty **which is in the first sentence from the beginning shoeless FYI** Thank you for your consideration of this matter.

 

But I was comforted to discover that someone else got lost at precisely the same point I did. I don't feel lonely anymore. Ahh shucks you winked at him - you were just making a little joke weren't you.

[inquiry]

Hmmmmm... I am not sure how to explain the merging of two files and where to put info and why without, you know explaining. I understand that 99% of the users could care less about file formats, but if someone ask, it seems polite to answer if you know. I ahve merged MANY files, so I know.

[shoeless]

Ben, without you here doing what you do BBO would lose something substantial. And know what? It isn't that the other 99% of us don't care - when you don't get it you don't know if you care or not.

[adf]

How about a message box which pops up when a new person joins the table, asking the host if s/he wants to reset the score?

If you wanted to be a bit more complicated, and please more people, include "Always" and "Never" buttons as well as "Yes" and "No."

 

As a kibbitzer, I have sometimes been frustrated when the score is reset and I can't see the movie for a recent hand.

[Flame]

I dont like this at all, some ppl want to keep their score to check their overall result.

I would suggest private score, the score of the joiner could be reset but not all scored.

[Al_U_Card]

I agree, each player should have the score that begins to accumulate with his presence ONLY. If he wants to scope out the results of the table participants then he should kibbitz the table before sitting down.

[han]

I almost always reset the score when the difference gets fairly large and there are kibitzers. I usually apply the rule of 40 for this (beating the rule of 20 by a wide margin, making it the record holder for the highest numbered rule in bridge!). The score can be a nice motivation, but it should never be humiliating.