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May I ask what auction does South prefer, 1. (3♠) 4♥ (5♠) ? OR 2. (3♠) Pass (5♠) ? The auction seem to be going that way.

OK I bid invitational 3♦ to 1♥ then.

I guess the big hand would had jumped 6♦ (then 7♣) without conventions. I meant.. (3♠) 4♥ (Pass) 6♦ I am not an expert. If 5♦ to 4♥ is forcing (whatever the meaning does), the solution will be easier. (3♠) 4♥ (Pass) 5♦* 5♥ (Pass) 7♣** (Pass) * forcing (may be natural , may be cue-bid agreeing hearts..) ** meaning of the non-natural 5♦ overruled.

I am just curious Would the rebid been 1♦ P 1♥ P 4♦ P ... Had the opponents not interfered? Anyway it is a 4♠ for me. BTW it is legal to make this as 2♣ opener. Given an extra diamond, many pairs would have a 2♣ opening.

So far it seems all agreed 4♠ cue bid. After: 1♣ {2♠} 3♥ - (Heart Suit) 4♦ - 4♠* - (Spade A) I am just thinkng of the opener's use of 4NT / 5♠ / 5NT / 6♠ to describe two suiters at least 5-5. Leaving 5♣ / 6♣ / 7♣ to describe opener's hands with only 4-card diamonds.

I am wondering wheather the problem would be easier if we fix ourselves into diamonds.

I am thinking two worst case situations here on what sort of opener's hand could be disasterous for slam. (1) Sort of hands that was planned to bid 1♣-1M-2♣. For example, xxx x KQJx KQJxx. (2) Sort of hands that has reverse strength to be bid 1♣-1M-2♦ with too much wastes on ♠. For example, KJx - KQJxx KQJxx. The occurance of (1) depends on your bidding style. If you usually response to the opening suit up to line(i.e. with 4x♦-4x♥ you response 1♦ to 1♣), then the possibility of hand (1) coming out is high. Your partner would opt to open 1♣ with the example hand. On the other hand, Some partners would had avoided this kind of trouble playing "New Minor Artificial Forcing" OR "Responde any 4-card Major" style since they would had opened 1♦ instead to avoid awarkward situations like 1♣-1M-2♣-2♦*. * Artificial The next issue is to discuss wheather this kind of 4D-5C hands are capable for bidding 4♦. There are a lot of bidding style to discuss. If you normally play "2 over 1 GF style" then probabity 4♦ would show little extra because there are no "FAST ARRIVAL" options to show minimum yet. Cue-Bidding would show extra in this case. If you usually don't play "2/1 GF" then your partner would had considered 4♦ a bit "out of the safety line" and hence shows extra strength and hence will try 3♠^ / 4♣ wit the example hand. ^ 3♠ Two Way: Opener ask for stopper. If opener carries on it would be slam investigating. The occurance of (2) depends on partnership judgement. After 1♣ {2♠} 3♥ - (Heart Suit) 4♦ - 4♠* - (Spade A) With xxx x KQJx KQJxx OR KJx - KQJxx KQJxx Should be bid 5♣ to allow you Sign-Off. With xxx x AKxx AKxxx OR xx - AQJxx AQxxxx Should be bid 6♣ to allow you Sign-Off. With xxx x AKQx AKQxx OR xx - AKQxx AKQxxx Should be bid 7♣ to allow you Sign-Off / Correct to 7NT.

I think it is pretty obvious that 4♦ over 3♥ is forcing. Maybe there needs some discussion about 4♣ over 3♥.

I agree MinorKid in some way but not all. I agree his "reverse" should show real reverse value. It is pushing the bidding to 5 facing a 12-count. 28-12=16, which is simular to normal reverse value like 1♣-1♥-2♦. As for the 4♠ cue bid i totally agree, showing control. Through it literally agree ♦ but p can assume it to be ♣ to allow room for correction. On top of that, 4N over 4♠ can now be blackwood(♣) (Or "six card RKCB" if you play that). I cannot totally agree MinorKid's raise of 5♣♦ to 6♣ or 6♣♦ to 7♣. First of all there are no natural reasons for opener blasting to 5♦, 6♦. Secondly respoder's has no honor support on any of Opener's suits. Given that opener has full control of the suit quality it is wise to hand the judgement over to opener. Thirdly, responder had shown a GF hand, spade control, heart suit with his suit probabily wasted there's nothing more to tell. Lastly, one cannot always assure the Red Preempter has ♠KQJxxx. Many players nowadays would preempt in red with ♠KJxxxx nothing and give opener some wasted value.