I look at it this way. When you are a guest somewhere, if there is a conflict or an issue there are two ways to resolve it. 1) Be polite in getting your point across and handle the situation with class. 2) Be obnoxious, condescending, etc. and hold your nose high as if your ***** doesnt stink. It is possible to be right and wrong at the same time. I like to use the analogy of this board. When I first started Phil and I would clash over every post and be condescending asswipes because its the internet and that is how people are on the internet. Once we met in person, and have played together a bunch of times, all of a sudden there is cordiality and that belligerence doesnt manifest itself in person. The many issues with this individual have not been the product of protocol, more than once opponents have been outright insulted, directors have been hassled etc. It isnt that hard to be courteous and friendly, but some people just dont know how to behave properly. On this particular issue, i was more curious about the sequence of steps when the opponent says "i dont know." The explanation by the 3D bidder away from the table was that her partner was new to precision and it was possible she didn't know and the card was marked as a limit raise, so the issue of whether she must verbally set the record straight prior to the lead was my only question.