Is there anyway to bid for a penalty double instead of a takeout in answer to an opponents opening bid? I'm playing South and West opens 3D. With no raise possible, but a decent hand (12pts), I'm thinking West can't make 3D if North can give me two tricks. Well I passed, all passed, and the contract went down 2. This was with GIB playing all other seats, and the results were the same. All South seats passed down 2. South seats doubling wound up with North going down 2 0r 3 after bidding 3H. This was IMP (in response to one of the replies to this post).