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Oh, well. Thanks anyway.

Thanks! Was thinking about how would this work with a weak NT structure. Should a competitive minor transfer mean gameforcing against a 15-17 balanced? If so, opener doesnt accept transfer with a balanced hand? So, after 1♥ - (2♠) - 2NT - p 3♣ A minimum unbalanced, 2♣+ 3♦ Natural, forcing? 3♥ Natural, should be forcing? 3♠ Nice club support 3NT Definitely with ♠ good stop, but big range. Should it go that way or would 3♦s be artificial? Thank you.

Hey guys. Recently I came across this convention in Kokish system notes; sure seemed interesting. Then i found it in a couple of world class convention cards (think it was Diego Brenner's), yet the developments we're kinda lacking. I'd really appreciate some insight on how the sequences go (namely, how opener acts after a minor suit transfer). Thanks!

Thanks for your comments. About the infrequent 2♦ response, well, not really. I guess i feel dishonest whenever i talk about hcps, and truth is we always respond 2♦ with an ace and quite some 5 hcp combinations, as long as they've got some nice feature or controls. Thing is, even after 2♣-2♥, we're usually in game and there's a real small number of signoff sequences. All balanced and minor suited hands are GF (and its really hard to stop in 3♥), and virtually our lowest contract is 3♠. About the positive responses, we just don't like using them with 5minor and 4major, and i don't think we're in a minority here. (Usually, 2♣-3 of a minor needs a 6 card suit. It drains so much bidding space away!) Something i didn't write down is that we play 2♣-2♦-3NT/4♣/4♦/4♥ as 4441s with the singleton in the inmediate suit. (2♣-2♦-4♦=4-1-4-4), so, if opener has three suits, he usually has a void. Now, i really like both of these. About 2), well, you're so right. I guess i never thought about what i was losing, but now i can distinguish between a semibalanced 6 card suit and something really unbalanced. About 1), well, you're so right. We actually considered control showing responses a long time ago, but their biggest failure, was, as you note, the 22-23 balanced hand. Thing is, what do you do next? Our model was an old roman-based asking bid based (similar to 1♣ precision - positive response) played by some older folks over here, which i guess can still work with some tweaks, but is still incredibly space consuming. (a new suit asks support in about 7 steps, that range from single-void to HHxx+) Are there other structures out there you're familiar with? I don't think going all natural can be that succesful over here. I really liked Martelsby responses, which went: 2♦: 0-1 controls. 2♥: 2 controls. 2♠: Positive suit response equivalent. 2NT: 3 controls 3♣: 4 controls, etc. I didn't find much else about their methods, however. Thanks a lot, anyway. I'd be awesome if i could get some other links/ideas. Not sure about that, but it is better than alamiro's. :lol: I think there are some heavy quote issues on this one.

Hey all. Yes, its my first post here, even though i've been haging around reading your comments for some time now. Yee ha! Well, i know that there's a zillion threads about this opening. I actually don't want to know if you use 2♥ as positive or negative or your opinions about Kokish. What i'm trying to unveil is some sort of mechanism to unveil not so easy to find fits and still be able to identify them before rkc/cuebidding. It would also allow me to "invite" to slam, and, if possible, use stuff like serious NT and lttc. Come on, you know why discovering fits is important! I've been using this: 2♦: GF, 6+ hcp. 2♥: Neg, 0-5 hcp. Rest: Nat, 8+ hcp, two honors in bid suits (NT=♥). We use 2♦ multi, so the balanced hand type always show good 24+ hcp. After 2♣-2♦, we use: 2♥: Clubs or Hearts (2♠ asks, 2NT=♣, 3 level=♥. 3♣ after 2NT response reasks) 2♠: Spades (2NT/3♣ asks distribution, usually the second to avoid wrongsiding NT) 2NT: 24+ hcp balanced. 3 level: ♦+bid suit. If it goes 2♣-2♦-2♠-3♣-3♠, that means i've got a spade single suit. 3♥ would go for 5+♠ and 4+♥. If we fail to relay, we usually have a 5+ card suit. Well, there it goes: 2♣-2♦-2♠-3♣-3♥. Responder has something like: Kx QJxx xx AQxxx Does (s)he bid 6H, with quite a chance of missing 7? does he bid 4NT as regular blackwood, uncertain about H's king? Is 4NT blackwood anyway? Should he use 4 of a minor as some kind of fit bid? Now switch ♥s with ♦s. How does he find his fit? (By bidding a oh so very natural 6NT, i guess?) I know these methods are not natural, but which one's are, anyway? Playing standard, should it probably goes 2♣-2♦-2♠-3♣-3♥, and the same ambiguities arise. Do you have a complete structure over 2♣ opening or, well, a solution to this problems? Do you play it all on intuition? (which does seem to be the best way to handle this opening?) Thanks a lot!