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Yeah, that's high for single-suited with clubs. Don't forget 4D/6+C

If you can have five clubs you will be a bit uncomfortably tight for relays. You have to fit in the 4D/6C hands as well as the more obvious 4M/5+C and 6+C hands. Most Precision folks have moved to require six clubs for their 2C opening and that really gives you a solid anchor suit to fall back on. With six clubs relays are quite doable, just a bit tight sometimes.

I so deserve a chance to play against this. Helene, I'm a little confused with your description of your pass. Is it 0-8 any or up to 14 with clubs?

I've been signing into BBO more often lately and playing with lots of random partners. I know there's a forum somewhere for partnerships, but I thought I would just invite folks on this (my favorite) forum to add me to their friends list. If you see me online and want to play some hands just say hi.

That's a good point. So if opener has 2542, what's his rebid after a 2C advance? 2H suggesting 5H/4D? You have then to go to the 3-level to get to a diamond contract but you're better off here than folks who use an immediate 2H for hearts and a minor. I like your method. I didn't realize Woolsey used the 2C advance as "pass with five" but it makes sense.

Thanks. So if advancer has something like 2452 bust hand he bids 2C and hopes for a 2D correction. If opener is balanced and overcaller has an unbalanced hand, it seems likely that advancer will have a fair number of mirror opposite hands. So I personally understand better a structure where overcaller can at least show one higher-ranking suit before opting for a lower-ranking suit. Let's say I were playing Pagan and overcaller bids 2C announcing spades and clubs. Well 2452 is aware instantly of a misfit. No gain there maybe, but Pagan could also start with a double to show hearts and another and now advancer picks hearts. This works better than Woolsey which (after a double) can miss hearts.

I like Pagan... dbl-hearts and another .....2C-p/c ..........2H-4S/5H ..........2S-5S/4H 2C-spades and clubs 2D-spades and diamonds 2H-hearts 2S-spades 2N-minors Two different but related questions. For Meyerson, how do you sort out the 5/4s in such a way as to find the best fit and not lose a major suit fit when you have it? For Woolsey users, what are the continuations after double? The reason I like Pagan is because I find more major suit fits, but it comes at the cost of playing 3D instead of 2D.

No I don't. I think your responses to 1C will have difficult continuations starting with opener's rebid. I think you should learn IMPrecision first and then tinker with it if you can.

IMPrecision in a nutshell... .....1C-strong ..........1D-very weak or very strong ...............opener describes, responder is captain ..........etc-GI or light GF ...............opener relays with fit or extras ...............opener suggests part score or invites without This... 1C-strong .....1D-0-4 or hearts ..........opener describes as if 0-4 (as for IMPrecision), but can't show a heart fit since one may not exist. This not only means this information is wasted but ..........opener can't frequently relay responder's heart hands .....1H-spades but not hearts, not bal or 3-suited, 5+ ..........GF requires fit or extras (as does IMPrecision) ..........sign off with minimums ...............responder has a hard time relaying opener's shape when responder has GF values .....1S-bal, split range, loses all 5-7 bal with spades compared to IMPrecision ..........GF with extras ..........sign off with minimums ...............responder with GF balance will be unable to relay for opener's complete shape (which can be done with IMPrecision)

Both of these ideas are bad. Just to illustrate, 1C-2S as both minors leaves you terribly placed without a fit. Presumably opener's 2N rebid is a relay ask when it needs to be a misfit. What's opener to do with 4522 minimum? Hope not to arrive in a 4-2 fit? In short, you need to be thinking about how to land in part scores and your continuations would be nightmarish. 1C-2S as 3-suited short spades is not so bad considering 2N rebid by opener is a minimum misfit and 3C as GF relay leaves 4 steps for the four possible hand patterns. Awm would probably argue that his original use of 3-suited short club is better because 2N is misfit and 3C as GF relay doesn't have the problem that mine does in that clubs are a likely place to play with 1444 but not opposite 4441. It's hard to get around 1C-1S, 1N being NF and 1C-2S, 2N being NF if 1S or 2S are semipositives. Recommend you study IMprecision a bit more before you tinker. Understand the continuations. If you put too many frequencies into a first response, you will have trouble. Ask Adam questions. Good luck.

My system notes are based on IMPrecision. Since you're concerned about 4S/5H you could tweak as I've done... 1H-all 3-suited with spades 2H-4S/5+H 2-suited 2S-3-suited short spades 3C-45(40) Strongly recommend IMPrecision. And its interference notes and continuations. Also recommend Adam and Sieong's NT structure and their double-barreled major suit invites.

I've waited for someone with FP experience to weigh in but I would think that double should be more flexible and announce a big hand. After a double, partner's 1S advance would be negative.

I think you're thinking about this wrong. Dan has been cataloging many systems and is providing a good service to the bridge community for not much money. Be happy someone has taken an interest in doing so and pay him the small amount of compensation he asks. Or if you don't want to buy it, at least don't come across as devaluing his work. I've read Dan's book on Meckwell Lite and I could tell he put a lot of thought and time into it.

I've heard that a lot of people play it but I'm not aware of a forum for discussing/mentoring. You might ask Dan whose bbo username is djneill. I think Atul is also familiar with it; his username is foobar. Both post here on occasion.

In the long run, you'll save yourself lots and lots of rework.