EddyHaskel

Thanks, barmar! I was hoping it was something benign like that.

I recently added a new BBO user's name to my friend list. Today I notice that his BBO name shows up in two different locations on the list that appears when I click "People" then choose "Friends." He shows up in the usual place: i.e., near the top of the list in alphabetical order with the other users who also include me on their friends list. But this same new friend's name also shows up further down my list among users whom I follow, but have not added me to their own friends list. All the others in this latter "Follow-only" group appear with a gray background. But this new person shows up with a blue background in both places and when clicked appear to be the same profile. I have been a BBO user for 13 years and have not seen this happen before. Is this new friend logging in from two different devices or IP addresses and somehow showing up more than once? Or is there some other more innocent explanation? I'm using a typical desktop PC, Windows, BBO V3. Thanks. Dave/Eddy

Agree. Why was it removed? At the very least have a BRB button that explains that it no longer works so we don't spend 15 minutes looking for the darn thing!

Join the BIL (Beginner/Intermediate Lounge) -- one of the oldest clubs right here on BBO. Sign up for a mentor. Nicest people on BBO. If you are already more advanced players, join the IAC (Intermediate/Advanced Club), too. You won't regret either choice, guaranteed. Great folks, access to many wonderful teachers, lots of great, safe, and always friendly competition.

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It does seem like there must be two separate access tags (or priv lists or however club members are identified by the software) for the two different servers, essentially creating two separate groups. Members who had access to the club prior to the server split can see both. Clearly the club membership tags for them got copied to the new server. New members, (those joining since the server split) can only access club functions on the tourney/competitive server but not on the casual side. If that's the case the problem will be how to merge them without causing more headaches?

The Beginner Intermediate Lounge (BIL) has been an important club, participating on BBO and nurturing new and intermediate bridge players since almost the very beginning of the site. The BIL has managed standing free individual 8 board tourneys every morning at 10am ET for years. The limit is 60 players and the tourneys often fill up 10 or 15 minutes before the 10am ET start time. Now that BBO is so busy, The BIL morning tourney often gets killed off right at the start time -- which is a full hour before the newly restricted times for free tourneys. The message the players get just at tournament starting time is (something like): "Tournament Error: Too Many Tables," and poof! the whole thing is instantly cancelled! Questions: Why does this happen even though the start time is an hour before the restricted time period? Is there a new rule we don't know about? Why does this happen with no warning? Neither the players who signed up nor the TD gets a message ahead of time. Seems to me if there are "too many tables" then this could be forewarned ahead of time, instead of waiting until the last second when dozens of people are standing by waiting for the event to start. Is there some lower number of players that would allow a tourney to run without being cancelled? 50? 40? Is there a new start time restriction which has not yet been published? Is there some time other than the top of the hour which would make cancellation less likely? Can any new restrictions be communicated to the clubs so they can let us know ahead of time if a tourney is going to happen or not? We all love BBO and will do whatever we can to help us all get through these trying times. But ya' gotta' let us -- and your clubs -- know how to help! Note: I do not speak for the management of the BIL. I am not an official with the BIL. I'm just a long time member and supporter of the club and of BBO. Thanks for all you do to help make bridge a better and more accessible game for all of us.

This is the HTML5 (the newest) version: BBO V3 This the older Flash version: BBO V2 Either version works with Chrome. I don't know about Edge. Anyway, friends don't let friends use Edge. :rolleyes:

barmar, Appreciate all the capacity issues and realize Voice is not a high priority at this time. Here's some anecdotal evidence that may (or may not) help when techs get time to diagnosing voice problems... (At a Teaching table today, all on BBO V3 of course) seems to be browser related: Firefox, (v 71 through 74) Windows 7 or 10 -- voice does NOT work! Apparently, (some?) FF users can speak, and users on other browsers can listen/hear them; but Firefox users cannot listen/hear. Chrome browser -- Windows 7 and 10 -- Voice seems to work OK both for listening and speaking. Scattered reports of Firefox working as recently as last Friday. Also scattered reports that voice on FF worked on Windows XP recently, but zero FF users had voice working today (at a teaching table with several dozen users). At first I thought it was a Mozilla/Firefox issue with their latest update (V 74.0), but it appears that older FF versions also have the problem now, regardless of windows OS version.. At least one report that voice using Opera browser worked as recently as last Friday, but does not work now. Good luck with all the fixes you are all working on.

I had a similar problem today. What worked for me: Browser setting: - Delete cookies and site data for bridgebase.com - reload browser tab (or simply refresh browser) - you will need to re-enter your username and password if you had these automatically saved using the "remember me" function. Hope this helps for your problem.

barmar, Thanks for quick reply! It's back up and running; and you are right -- allowing only bridgebase.com is the only javascript needed for the site to function. In the intervening minutes I tried a couple experiments.... Here is what worked: - deleted all BBO related cookies and browser site data; - turned enhanced tracking ON (previously I had an exception for bridgebase.com); - closed and reopened the BBO tab with new settings, and voila! Maybe I had some old cookie that stopped working properly or something. Or, maybe because I was not allowing any of the tracking sites to use javascript while "allowing" bridgebase.com to track caused a problem. In any case, all settled now. Many thanks, Dave/Eddy

I am careful about which domains are allowed to process javascript via my browser. Of course I whitelist bridgebase.com as always trusted. But starting on March 14, I can no longer log in on "V3," the html browswer "newest" version. It times out and thinks I am not connected to the internet. This is a classic sign that one or more domains requesting javascript access are not getting it. I look at the domains that would automatically have javascript privs on login if I allowed all, and that list is extensive -- at least 19 domains other than bridgebase.com are trying to write javascript when I attempt to log in. I need to know which of them are required in order to log using BBO v3 in via my browser (Firefox 74.0 16bit) so I can allow them without allowing all. Interestingly, I CAN still log in using the old windows client. I have been trying hard to adapt to the new "V3" (it hasn't been easy), forcing myself to keep using it even though many of the things we all loved about the old Windows client have disappeared. But that's fodder for a different forum entry. Please tell me which domains now require javascript access so I can allow them by choice. Thanks!

Seems like a reasonable idea. Possible abuse of this change could be a player who simply doesn't like another person could blacklist them and prevent kibitzing arbitrarily and without actual cause. Perhaps a compromise would be to have the host/TD of the tourney able to prevent certain kibitzers while allowing everyone else. If some malevolent kibitzer showed up and bothered one of the other players, they could simply ask the host/TD to bounce that individual kibitzer.

K and R says south is worth 13.8. 10% may not have opened it, but they should have.

Thank you for the reply. I understand that BAM events are challenging to present on vugraph (and almost dizzying to try to watch! LOL). I wonder if there's a way to assign commenters to follow a particular pair during a session, and maybe post that list somewhere we can find it. That way, we viewers could follow that commenter, and perhaps get a clearer picture of what's going on as it's happening. We all have our favorite teams to follow and some of us have favorite commenters to follow, as well, and this would help a little bit in guiding viewers which tables to watch. At any rate, it would be better than bouncing almost randomly among the various tables as they open and close throughout a session. Also, it would be helpful if the commenters could discuss (what they know of) the leaderboard as it changes throughout a session. This is probably an ACBL issue, but it sure would be nice if they could post results in a more timely fashion. Again, thanks for your timely reply -- and to your prompt replies to almost all the BBF queries I have seen. It's good to know you are watching and answering stuff, even in the out of the way infrequently parts of the forum like this one. Cheers. Eddy