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I have never understood the definitions of HUM. First, what are "values generally accepted for an opening bid of one"? Second, does "alternative weak possibilities" relate to Pass being multi way bid? If so, suppose Pass is either 0-11 or 12-14. If we take 12-14 as "values generally accepted for an opening bid of one" and 0-11 as "even if there are alternative weak possibilities" this seems to classify as HUM. Right? What does "weaker" mean? In a similar thread from 2006, a poster said that However, I don't see this stated explicitly anywhere nor there seem to be anything what would imply it. Even so, if you can use any system you want, you can design evaluation scheme that intentionally subverts the purpose of the rule. Is this the same as saying "[...] an opening bid at the one level has to promise at least 8hcp"? This rule seems ridiculous, because according to the definition of length and shortage a suit is always either short or long. Take 1♠ as promising 5+♠, now your ♥'s are always either long or short and hence HUM. This seem to imply that 1♣ = 13+ with either 5♥+ or 5♠+ is explicitly not HUM. Right? In my examples the bid implies rather than shows, but I see no reason to make a distinction. Thank you!

*Agree that transfers are unsound is this situation, well, at least they won't fill their main reason of contract rightsiding. *As for 1NT overcalls. I am sure that standard [1M]-1NT isn't best. With 2 cards in the opponent suit one can comfortably double, but with 4 cards pass works very well. If you have 3cards... you make judgement. What is best then? Well, I don't think there is an easy answer to this.

Getting exact shape as low as possible is very crucial for this type of scheme to work, thankfully there are lot of tricks how to optimize such a structure. Personally I feel comfortable if 3♣ or maximum 3♦ shows exact shape. I wouldn't play such relays if I have to ask for controls with 4♣ or higher bid.

If you have information that partner has 3 controls then once you get to know he has control in ♦ and ♠, but not in other suits there is only one possibility how you can get 3 controls and it is: ♦ K and ♠A.

2nd auction = invite to 3N

IMPs 1N (15-17) - 3N ♠ xxxx ♥ KJTx ♦ ♣ JTxxx What if bidding were 1N-2♠-3♣-3N?

Hmm, not really. But in ambra you can find a nice write up of 2♦ as ♥ weak or strong. I find it effective and more logical.

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I think that those who play Flannery typically play 4♣ = ♥ slam try and 4♦ as ♠ slam try, over that : openers +1 = last train. What does 2♦-4m mean for you? Simple way would be RKCB with ♥/♠. There ain't magic answer, spend some time thinking what you think is best.

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I would be delighted if this gets moved to non-natural system discussion.

Both Martel and Nystrom went down after the same auction and lead although they could (should) made. [hv=pc=n&s=sqj76hkq87dj4c954&n=s52hat9432dk95caq&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=pp2s3hp4hppp]266|200|North is declarer. [/hv] Lets say that East leads ♠K followed by ♣ switch, west puts K. Bring it home!

Ok, am enhusiactic about this idea in various situations. It is hard to get the whole picture and assess, because I don't know how people would defend against this. How would you defend vs.: 1♦ =bal or 5m+4M 11-15- ..........................1♠ = 4♥+ F1 1♠ (5♥+ 11-15 NV) - 1♠ = 5♥+ 0-3♠ 14+ F1 ?

♦A-♥A-♥K-♥Q-♣A? I must be missing something.