So I KNOW my partner has slam values in SAYC bidding which doesn't really cover this bidding at all. I'd like to know how you know East has Slam values (East is the one who knows, not me) and based one WHAT you call my pass of 3nt "clueless?" This is so typical -- A: You're clueless, partner. B: So the right bid is what, partner? A: Ah ,,, I don't know, partner.