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2 thoughts: with those #s, I'm just guessing here but it sounds like you have just 1 physical drive that is partitioned. if that's the case, you could repartition the drive to add some space to C: (using something like partitionmagic). but bridgebase files are pretty small and doing a lot of work to handle those is much hassle for little reward...i spend a fair amount of time on bbo, and log everything, and my "bridge base online" folder is just 45 MBs. secondly, maybe i'm wrong, but i find it hard to believe you actually have 30 GBs of installed programs and the like and no data. maybe if you have several big computer games installed...but for example, do you perhaps have your digital camera pics on your computer as well, being imported by some organizer like Picasa or the default one that came with your camera? those programs should handle the movement of your pictures to D: with no problem, and it should also be fairly simple to change their settings so that pictures are stored on D: all the time in the future. mp3s, pictures...it should be easier to move that kind of thing, with far greater reward, than it is to mess with bbo...

it can be annoying to be made table host when the previous table host left, just because you're the "oldest" at the table...for a variety of reasons. for instance, i've been dummy and gotten up, come back and found myself host because the previous host disconnected, and now the previous host is trying to get back into his seat for who knows how long? there are a couple of other times it can be annoying too... i realize it's been forever since bbo updated, but a nice option when next it happens would be a checkbox "don't make me tablehost" to leave you out of the queue for that, if it's not too difficult a thing to add.

sorry kenberg, mikeh. i considered what you said. you're probably right, but i'm going to say the below anyway. it goes to some very disturbing cultural trends here, which are being ignored in favor of mob mentality. you people are amazing. you are almost all blind to the culture you are creating here. you allow a select few, for pitifully weak reasons, to dominate the tone of discussion, regardless of topic. you act as if these select few can say nothing wrong. -someone complains that they take issue with a post -that complaint is mocked -I take vehement objection to the mockery and there is a gang attack on me, how dare I agree that something can be offensive? how dare I take exception to the endemic mockery in this forum? i was loud and verbose, absolutely, because i am sickened by the attitude that was not only expressed, but is ignored by some and allowed to flourish by many. and it's not even just by the MMS. rather than make an effort to be considerate of the reasonable offense someone expressed, you act like a gang of wolves attacking those who do. almost universal refusal to actually examine the situation, an almost universal mob mentality, unwritten agreement to team up with the local powerful, because how dare you end up disagreeing with them! they might mock you next time you want to ask them a bridge question! but that's no reason to be silent, and i'm not going to apologize for not. i'm not going to remain silent just because a few people reasonably think the argument isnt that big a deal. they're right, the argument isn't, but the greater issues that caused the argument are. i may have made enemies of half a dozen or more, but sometimes the list of one's enemies is the biggest badge of honor one can wear, and i submit with confidence that as regards this forum, that's the case. whatever. post 279 i guess, my last one, because i don't care enough to try and continue to deal with such people, and what they have to offer as regards bridge isn't enough to deal with their pitifully wrong superiority complexes. go ahead and have your party now, i'm out.

If it offends you to have it explained to you how you might be offending others, well then there's some irony there isn't there? And no, I'm not missing the irony you're miserably attempting to point out in my own post, it doesn't exist. I'm well aware that you all are being offended. But the irony is here: you are being offended because you are being told, and refuse to accept, that someone might have legitimately offered offense. I didn't enter this tangent of the discussion to offend anyone, I entered it because I found a post ABOUT A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT ignorant, offensive, and completely without merit. My findings might bother you, but I submit that that's because they're true. I don't disagree with the first part of this point. It alone among the several you tried to make has some merit. However firstly, I question whether it's applicable to me or not, and I conclude in fact that no, it is not. Just because you and your little MAS dominate the bridge-discussion thread hardly means you're the only one here. There are many with my level of posting and reading, and you have no standing from which to disenfranchise us in the manner you want to. Furthermore it's not remotely what Han said. He made a distinction between "serious posters" and ... some other group he didn't distinguish. If it's what he meant, for whatever reasons, it's not what can be understood. But even so it doesn't matter, see above. Lastly, the style of my posts? You and your MAS are the ones who regularly attempt to mock people into submission. That kind of posting is what got me started here, and when I dared to stand up to it, it was that kind of posting that attempted to thrust me out of it. My posts? Really? Wow. That's amazing. The style of my posts is to explain thoroughly my views on the situation, so as much as I can help it there can be no question. The mockery, the refusal to accept that others are bothered when they say bluntly that they are, that is a problem style.

My favorite is the Green Knight.

Currently my biggest pet peeve is that there is a certain region of the United States (I haven't tried to fully identify it but southern Illinois is included) where many speakers use the word "whenever" in place of "when" universally. "Whenever you go to the grocery store, get some milk." This should mean "always buy milk when at the grocery store" but these speakers mean "next time you to go to the store, buy milk." And they make this substitution in all cases, still using "whenever" in its proper sense.

I didn't think it had anything to do with my skill level. I brought that up because I honestly feel it's the attitude around this forum at times. And it's relevant here in this very discussion. After I posted it, I wondered how long it would take your little mutual admiration society to show up and defend you. Didn't take long. Besides you, they had posted maybe 3 responses of the previous 75 or so, I just checked. In the 25 since I directed my comments at you and jlall they've posted more than half a dozen, including multiple that were wholly made up of attempts at jokes at my expense. You can criticize this belief I have however you want, but the evidence, and not just in this thread, supports it. They would have gone further to discredit my opinion by keeping their mouths shut, but they failed at that so they strengthen it. I also didn't think it had had anything to do with how often I post in the water cooler. But I think I was clear, it didn't have anything to do with anything at all. It was apparently just your anger acting out. It should further be noted that you claimed that I was trying to tell you how to behave, while in fact I never once did that. Earlier on in the thread I expressed my opinions as to how things should be monitored. I said multiple times that I have issues with censoring. But I defended the stance that there was some offense to be had in your jokes, even if I didn't have it. And I expressed categorically my annoyance that jlall, who has barely even lived "in the real world," should be wondering how others manage to get along in it, when the stupidity of his question was evident on its face. If you want to offend people, go ahead and be that kind of person. I tend to do my best to avoid that unless there is some greater truth that needs expressing, and such truths rarely come in the form of a joke. But I never once told you how to behave.

a) I know well of Han's quirky sense of humor. Before his comments, which surprised me, I told him so personally. They surprised me specifically because we had discussed this in real time for a couple of moments. b ) I was hardly the first person to use the analogy. And I didn't exactly use it regarding Han's post, I responded to Justin's "what's the big deal" with an explanation of what MIGHT be the big deal. But for those of you that don't see the relationship between these kinds of comments and the situation in the work place, I think it's probably because you wrongfully deny the systematized nature of the problem, perhaps not in word but certainly in belief.

Han, you can appreciate it as little or as much as you want. Whether or not I feel up to adding my thoughts on bridge threads I read, or just voting in the polls, or doing nothing but reading, has no bearing on this particular discussion. I don't mind admitting that I don't generally feel qualified to actively participate much in that type of discussion, but frankly that's none of your damned business. And it most certainly doesn't disqualify me here. There is sadly an attitude exhibited by many on these forums that being a bridge expert makes you an expert on anything that gets discussed here. People are deferred to when they shouldn't be because of bridge success. But this isn't a discussion about a hand or an auction. I will consider you my superior on bridge or mathematics, Han, but on anything else you'll have to prove yourself first, and the same goes for anyone here. So you won't run me out of this discussion that easily. And I won't defer to Jlall's "it's no big deal" posts just because it's jlall. If I think he's wrong and that it's important enough to say so point-blankly, I will. Until there's a post quota in the Bridge Discussion section before I'm allowed to post in the Water Cooler, your opinion on that issue is meaningless. If you had simply wanted to make light of an editing, you could have chosen anything to edit out. The fact is you went for a topic that you had been told bothered some people. So while it might have the effect that you want, it also has the effect I already pointed out: Namely, to repeat myself, it's a tacit acknowledgment that there are some that will find it offensive, while simultaneously proving that you don't care enough not to use it. You are taking advantage of your knowledge that someone was bothered to provide humor for others. I don't appreciate that.

I realize that I'm playing right into your point, but I consider your short-sightedness important enough to point out; your point is rather worthless. You should consider that perhaps the issue is that people are free to take seriously things here that in the real world they wish they could take seriously, but from which they are prohibited due to the negative repercussions they would face. I imagine many a woman in the workplace wishes they could remark on their co-workers comments regarding "growing some balls" or other statements like those, but they would be regarded as childishly as you are regarding this. In the workplace, they can not afford that disregard. Here, the regard of fellow posters on a web-forum is basically meaningless, so they can. I don't think the joke was all that big a deal, mostly because I don't believe Han meant anything malicious by it. But I do think it's a big deal that people express valid concerns and they are written off as though they are nothing. If there is a problem, it lies with this attitude you're expressing.

To put a light hearted spin on the matter. You may not think it effective, but that is what I thought when I read the post. But it's a tacit acknowledgment that there are some that will find it offensive, while simultaneously proving that you don't care enough not to use it. In fact, you're taking advantage of your knowledge that they'll be bothered to provide humor for others.

I don't know about the British "fetish for orthography," but the American fetish for standardized spelling, and differentiated from British spellings, precedes Victoria. It was basically single-handedly pushed for and enacted by Noah Webster, for whom our most famous dictionary is still named. He is solely responsible for why we removed the u from words like colour, which Cascade first referenced, and why we transposed the 're' in words like theatre, believing these changes reduced complexity.

Firing squad should work. :) I thought we were agreed that execution is not a deterrent!

I can't say I have ever heard anyone in the UK, describe something as low-class American, where did you get that snippet of fact from? It happens very often on the British show "QI: Quite Interesting" for instance. It's still a great show, I wish we had something like it in the US, but this is there nonetheless. Did you read the referenced urbandictionary entry? It's there. Read some more, you'll find comments like that all over the place. I'll grant that in this case it's crude kids, but they get the idea that expressions older than they are are "Americanisms" from somewhere. Check out the book I mentioned. This is an American reporting these claims, but I believe he gives references. And I have had people say such things talking to me.

It's been nearly 10 years since my roommate said to me, not at all joking, "what did we ever do without Google?" And it's only gotten more true.