Probably tilting at windmills here, but it seems to me that when a player conplains that he has made a wrong bid and wants an undo, he is giving his partner unauthorized information. Furthermore, if a player denies an undo, it turns the game into a bitter time, not a fun place. I have had guys try a losing finesse into my hand, and when the finesse loses, they ask for an undo. Once, after a refused undo, the host told me privately I was a bad sport, and he would remove me after the hand was over. I told him I would save him the trouble and left immediately. On BBO some tourneys forbid undos, while others allow them. The question here is, 'if undos are allowed, does that mean undos must be provided when requested, or is it an option of the opponent?' Last night my LHO joking told us she was drinking wine -- she misbid and after a few seconds requested an undo. My partner silently passed. RHO then could save his pard, but passed also, then requested an undo. I laughed and passed. They were in the wrong contract (which happens to all of us from time to time) but refused to play the hand. Our community was undergoing a violent thunderstorm, which knocked out our electricity for two hours, so I don't know what the final outcome was. My point here is that I firmlly believe an undo should not be allowed (as in tournament bridge), and if the opponents fail to play in the wrong contract (to get an AVE. score), then director should adjust to 4 or five down or whatever. Oldchris1