heracles

really thx for yr detail reply, the logic is very clear. for 2, South descibed it correctly, bt north remember a different thing how even it is difficult to provide, other than a detail system notes, but do u think the acution passing 2C is a strong evdience to prove what they are playing? the table ruling is quite near what 3 said, but I would like to ask 1. it is quite clearly what is going on at the table, West should reasonable logical come to the true ans, if it stand, west clearly is trying a double shoot, if the x fail, he must protect from 6H is not possible to reach. 2. the linkage between the MI and damage is not stronger than the bad defend of EW. they can score the best with 6Hx, but they miss it only, the C lead is quite clear, if west need the D/H lead, the x is not reasonable.

thx all for yr reply. I am learning to be a TD. (not yet a TD) And the hand is happen in a event which is not important. and unluckily, I am the south. It is very complex case I think. I feel great difficult to rule it. At the table, director ask for evidence of the agreement(2Cis 4-7). we have CC, but it wont write in such detail...... and I named the book of system we follow, director reject to accept this evidence. Anyway, as a student of TD course, I really interested in the ruling rather than care about my result :D there is some pts I really havent think of, such as the UI north take may lead him to bid 4N rather than let 4H close. many thx~ btw, the ruling I face is 2C+4, I dont feel suprise of it, but I believe it should be different score for E/W, as their damage partly (major part) come from non-necessary 2D bid, the lightening X that pn difficult to understand, and finally the wrong defend I think EW should receive 6HX= anyway, while NS adjust to 4H+2 or 2C+4, that is much fair

[hv=d=n&n=sjxxhatxxdxcaqtxx&w=saxxhxxxdkqjxxxxc&e=sqxxxxxhxxdxxcxxx&s=skhkqj9daxxckjxxx]399|300|[/hv] N E S W P P 1C*1 1D 2C P P 2D*2 2H P 4H P 4N P 5S P 6H P P X AP 1C is 16+ strong before bidding 2D, west ask what is 2C S ans it is 4-7 C suit before X, W ask again what is 2H, S ans it is 6-7 C+H 5-4 + result 6HX= TD is called before playing the first card,becoz he(W) think the auction must have problem. and after TD came, S state what he said once more, and N clarify he remember wrong that he think 2C show 8+ , suit TD let the play continue, and 6HX was made after the play W claim he wont bid 2D if he know 2C is not 4-7 and therefore he claim he was damaged as he can pass off 2C how would u rule?