Decided to use the gitelman style 1H 2S, and 1S 3C as jacoby. I don't use bergen raises so jumps to 3 level in general invitational with 6+ cards. However with the 3C taken away for 1S 3C, is it best to have a) 1S 2C 2x 3C as this type of hand, and then 4C just forcing setting clubs, or b.) put this hand type in the 1N responses. also while this on my mind, 1H 2C 2x 3C would be forcing, so what's the best way to play 4C? thanks a lot. Dave