thanks for the reply. So, just to make sure I understand: N = P E= P S=1D W=1H N= Dble This is a Negative double & shows 6+pts & 4 spades (over the 1H overcall) What would a dble by a passed hand mean in the following bid sequence? N=P E=P S=P W=1H N=Dble This is a takeout dble? What does it show? Thanks for the help