Amonias

Thank you for specify what you mean. I agree with you , if 1NT was a GF and ask about openers exact distribution is it not optimal to have early responsen mean only 1 exact pattern. It is more optimal to let the first respons-steps have multiple meanings to get more information out of the relays . You can balance it out with the fibonachi-series. As I understand the system the 1NT relay is not GF (maybe after the second relay it is GF). And to a non GF-relay you can not have to many different pattern. I am not sure how easy it is to do intelligent relay break after first scor-scor relay.

Sorry for not being clear in my earlier posting. My earlier unclear posting should have been After 1sp-1NT Relay Scor-scor 2c shape h-c same or nearly the same length 2d colour h-d same or nearly the same length 2h rank d-c same or nearly the same length 2s 6sp shape h-c same or nearly the same length 2NT 6sp colour h-d same or nearly the same length 3c 6sp rank d-c same or nearly the same length 2h not only 1 shape (Can be seen from Pavels post earlier in this thread ) 1s-1NT-2h (rank d-c same or nearly the same length) - 2sp relay 2NT 7spades 3c 5134 3d 5143 3h 5422 3s 5233 My earlier post was a try to answer nullve trying to figure out SCOR-SCOR. I do not play this system and the info I have about this system is from this thread and what i have found on internet.

As I understand from what what I read Opening 1S 5+ spades. Not5-5+ After 1sp-1NT Relay Scor-scor 2c shape h-c same or nearly the same length 2d colour h-d 2h rank d-c 2s 6sp shape h-c same or nearly the same length 2NT 6sp colour 3c 6sp rank After 1sp-1NT-2cl-2di relay 2h 5413 2s 5323 2NT 7sp 3c 5314 3d 5224 After 1sp-1NT-2sp-2NT 3c 6304 3d 6142 or 6241 3h 6403 3s 6232 The above is how I interpret the scor-scor. As I understand it the Force Point system sacrifies all preemptive opening bids (to 5-5 6-5 and 3-suited) . Also no balanced light 1 openings in 1-2 seat. What the system sacrifice in agressiveness it get back in precision on some hands. To compensate for this 1 club opening in 3-4 seat is only 8+hcp. A good hand evaluation system for unbalanced hands.

Interesting system . But I think 1 club opening is underused. Why not put the hands with 4+clubs and 5+other (or 5+major) and 17+ into 1club opening and also put 17+ one suiter in club in 1 club opening. If you compare this 1-club opening to Swedish club type openings ( 1 club 12-14 bal or any 17+) these strong hands are more defined.

To mgoetze 2 di MULTI is NOT a Brown Sticker. its an exception In WBF System Policy 2002 "The following conventions or treatments are categorised as 'Brown Sticker': a) Any opening bid of two clubs through three spades that: i) could be weak (may by agreement be made with values below average strength) AND ii) does not promise at least four cards in a known suit. EXCEPTION: The bid always shows at least four cards in a known suit if it is weak. If the bid does not show a known four card suit it must show a hand a king or more over average strength. (Explanation: Where all the weak meanings show at least four cards in one known suit, and the strong meanings show a hand with a king or more above average strength, it is not a Brown Sticker Convention.) EXCEPTION: A two level opening bid in a minor showing a weak two in either major, whether with or without the option of strong hand types, as described in the WBF Conventions Booklet." I have no problem with exceptions listed in the rules, but I have problem with Rules that have some hidden rules behind.

Thank you Paul for your answer About The Gardener No Trump "Historical reasons. The Gardener No Trump Overcall is described in the Guide to Completion of WBF Convention Cards (PDF) where there is a subsequent comment:" Note: Although this fits the strict definition of a "Brown Sticker" convention, its widespread notoriety and history qualify for eligibility in all WBF events. But in the WBF System Policy 2002 We have a definition of a Brown Sticker overcall "An overcall of a natural opening bid of one of a suit that does not promise at least four cards in a known suit. EXCEPTION: A natural overcall in no trumps. EXCEPTION: any cue bid suit that shows a strong hand. EXCEPTION: a jump cue bid in opponent’s known suit that asks partner to bid 3NT with a stopper in that suit." If the System policy group is listing Exceptions from this rule why are there no list of Conventions that by Historical reasons should be excluded from being a Brown Sticker. If they are making an exception of a natural NT bid they probably would have mentioned Gardener 1 NT as an exception too. So in 1999 they had historical reasons in the document and in 2002 they dont mention it!

Interesting reading all the System files. I have a question. Why is New Zealands Reid-Newell "Comic 1NT overcall" a Brown sticker and why is USA1 Meckstroth-Rodwell "Gardner 1NT overcall" not a Brown sticker? Both overcalls could have a "natural" 1NT overcall or a weak hand with a long suit.