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assume there exist a forcing pass as you show, that means either 5♠ or 5♦-x must be the final contract. and it means the follow auction is ineluctability: (3♣)--4♠--(5♦)--pass (pass)--X/5♠ in as much,does the forcing pass by 4♠'s partner have any real reason to exist in?his x is penalty,pass is weakness or strongest ,5♥ is natural invitation or strongest,5♠ is offensive.The forcing pass only distinguish the difference between penalty and weakness(something about 1King+1Queen) since his hand limited 10HCPs(decent opps 17hcps total). The price is helping opps to verdict whether proceeed 6-level-minor or not,It is a possible making up contract based on a leading ,even iron slam. i oppugn there are no convince reason of forcing pass. i am very interesting going on to argue against you, you are the real expert player as i found.

17hcps and 6322,bid ♠ following a standard take-out double . others would suggest to overcall 3♠ directly if it's not superexcellent high card as this.

i explain as follows: when i hold JTxxx xxx x JTxx,hear opps opener super-transfer 3♥ and RHO sign-off to my balanced position, i would follow a double and think passing is passive ,timid even. when i hold xxxxx xx xx AKxx,facing opener bid 2♥ and RHO stop, i will compete a double ,did u suggest 2♠?i think nope. This means a balanced double guarantee ♠+minor,2suit only,notice--NOT 3 suit.futher, it means we can find a 4-4fit 50%only when partner has 5-4 or 6-5 minors. when the auction is going on the follows process: (1NT)=P=(2♦)=X (2♥)=P=(P)=X/2♠ which difference between X/2♠? i think double hint ♣ upholding and ♠--maybe 3154 maybe 4153,but 2♠ deny a good ♣ supporting. Hence, I advice the bidding : 1NT---P---2♦---X 2♥--2♠---4♥---4♠ Did you mind the known player double 2♦ instead of his pass at the first time?is 17HCPs can expiate the fifth cards ♦? i prefer taking a risk on 2-level, i don't like to venture on 4-level.

i explain as follows: when i hold JTxxx xxx x JTxx,hear opps opener super-transfer 3♥ and RHO sign-off to my balanced position, i would follow a double and think passing is passive ,timid even. when i hold xxxxx xx xx AKxx,facing opener bid 2♥ and RHO stop, i will compete a double ,did u suggest 2♠?i think nope. This means a balanced double guarantee ♠+minor,2suit only,notice--NOT 3 suit. when the auction going on the follows process: (1NT)=P=(2♦)=X (2♥)=P=(P)=X/2♠ which difference between X/2♠? i think double hint ♣ upholding and ♠--maybe 3154 maybe 4153,but 2♠ deny a good ♣ supporting. Hence, I suggest the bidding : 1NT---P---2♦---X 2♥--2♠---4♥---4♠ Did you mind the known player double 2♦ instead of his pass at the first time?is 17HCPs can expiate the fifth cards ♦? i prefer taking a risk on 2-level, i don't like to venture on 4-level.

i explain as follows: when i hold JTxxx xxx x JTxx,hear opps opener super-transfer 3♥ and RHO sign-off to my balanced position, i would follow a double and think passing is passive ,timid even. when i hold xxxxx xx xx AKxx,facing opener bid 2♥ and RHO stop, i will compete a double ,did u suggest 2♠?i think nope. This means a balanced double guarantee ♠+minor,2suit only,notice--NOT 3 suit. when the auction going on the follows process: (1NT)=P=(2♦)=X (2♥)=P=(P)=X/2♠ which difference between X/2♠? i think double hint ♣ upholding and ♠--maybe 3154 maybe 4153,but 2♠ deny a good ♣ supporting. Hence, I suggest the bidding : 1NT---P---2♦---X 2♥--2♠---4♥---4♠ Did you mind the known player double 2♦ instead of his pass at the first time?is 17HCPs can expiate the fifth cards ♦? i prefer taking a risk on 2-level, i don't like to venture on 4-level.

I agree the front of your3),but i should argue against rear of 3): when i invite a game, we will be certain of reaching 3♥+,and competitor locate on 3♠+up,why they don't jump to 3♠ with 9cards trump?balanced hand.this is maybe a dangreuos doule but i should give them,because it's coperation double when opps fit ,and it's punlishment when opps compete solely. If they compete 4minor with 17minus ,a co-double from my hand should send out with 50% defence high card. Why we need a "go on to game" hand? The further (and greater) upside of using Pass as forcing is that this will allow for more accurate 5-level decisions. I think we need an accurate 5-level decision-- only-- based on we have absolute vantage ,otherwise, 5-level is belong to opps as someone ever advised. regards happey new year 000002

If the bidding auction happened as follows: 3♣=4♠=5♣=? I think the mass of WC player would suggest a forcing pass,in spite of a little reluctant. which hand can i bid 5♦ over partner's weak 3♣ opening?please notice it means maybe o trick to help 5♦ player.is 9tricks 5♦ has really sufficient?i think 8 solid cards♦ +2cards ♣ is minimum verge.if we punish 5♦ , down 2 is rare,and forcing pass force a double or 5♠. When someone jump to 4♠,can his partner bid 5♥ to show a natural longer ♥suit?emphasis with 4cards minors usally.so i think 5♥ is slam invitation. i am interesting to hear which hand 4♠ leaper hold,it's very important to this puzzle. regards 000002

WInstonm said: Looking at the two minor kings that partner does not hold, it's hard to imagine a hand can make a slam try without a heart control. I agree.

oh I see,the known player took mistake this time---assume he is a world classic player.

♠ AKQxxxx ♥ AQX ♦ xx ♣x This is a typical hand of 4♠ leap,the defence tricks is poor under 3,because 5♦ up over 5♣,these means he has a strong hand too.Something like: x Kxx AKJxxxxx x So i deny /doubt this forcing pass.THe forcing pass should base on certain 21HCPs+,i suggest.

with 5♣ bidding 3♣ seems more descriptive than 3♦ I vote u

i will be willing to hear what the World classic partner held ,as same as to thank who tell me how to spell "lightner'double

5♠ leap base on 11tricks,i will raise 6♠ ,and would cue-bid 6X in case of XAce

I insist on 2-3rule for no more information

it's a dangerous marginal competition because of ♥ isn't broken ,and easy 3♠ making with ♠AKTxxxx+♣KQJ.IF i wanna a top score, i would take a risk to double again,it is 50% rate of success only since opp has certain 8 tricks based on west's 2minor Ace.

I notice the doubler is known player,that means we should assume he is right.if opps (e-w) play TEXAS transfer,the t/o is very dangerous for e-w determinate redouble and n-s might be unfit any suit. The another reason for this double is laterna(how to spell?) showing a side void suit,this time is maybe ♠ , opener has 5cards and partner has ♥Aces&King&x.Unfortunately,in this case, 4♥ would be made up even though a ♠ leading.(it's possible partner's♣ void,but too hard to depict his hand) I think the fair and reasonable is e-w( forget )their TEXAS and the known player ignore it too.OR, he is an advanced player only :)

ok let's assume 3♦ is 4cards♠ and 10pts upholding, but what is it now if you use transfering? p==p== 1nt== p 2♣=2♦=2♥=p 2♠

Cue-bid 2♥ shows M+m(55),5044/4144 isn't sufficient to take a takeout double in 4level and 16HCPS outside you. it's no any doubt this is penalty(2A+♥KQT)

I notice that northern had shut up at the first time,so his 3♦ ensure an intense invitation+ based on ♥ fit. Hence, southern 4♣ look like forgotten this information. On my assumption,south held : Jx Qxxx xx KQJxx Jingle belling now, affray please! :o

Merry christmas and happy new year! I will be willing to hear that you will open 4nt in the 2006BC.this 4nt means a better hand than preemptive 5minor opening. :) :D

Merry christmas! The analogous question mentioned on a chineses forum(http://bbs.ourgame.com/bbs_index.asp?Subject_ID=18)about2years ago,and the chineses leading player (named zhuangzhejun) advised 3♥ leap. But we think it's a 5cards ♥ upholding since partner's 1♥ might 3cards only.it's important when you hold a particular hand,for instance: xx AKxx x AKQJxx In this question the comparable reason is : 3NT has more safety than 4♥ even though 4-4 fit when partner has 3-5hcps,only 2♦ cuebid remains sufficient space to seek. I think it's very important to show your trump cards in an marginal contract. Happy new year!

I am conservative older man, pass is my winning by striking only after the enemy has struck!

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ruff♠,back ♦.when ♦jack DROP,i will believe it's true.

PASS partner‘S 4H-X Please and pass 5♣ now