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to some Professional player or wish to become: mine thought: 1)4♥/♠/5♣:Singleton/Void. 2)4♦:button to start cuebid,and it's forced Q-bid. 3)4♣:to show ur character side suit;to bid 4♦ waiting with 1 inferior HighCard only. regards 000002

case#1: 3♥ bidder has most possibility of holding 6322/6331 ,otherwise his rebid is 2nt or 3 minor.this conclusion imply ours ♦-q or ♣-q has some value when defend 3♥,and it improve the total chance to set this alone 3♥ down many tricks. i believe my partner can understand that alone 2♠ is an offensive hand ,in this case, taking DBL-3♥ as a co-operation might lost a lot of plus score--- partner imply his poor hand by pass 2♠.if partner can't raise 3♠ directly or balanced subsequently,it's very dangerous to forced ourself to climb 3♠ why openner didn't leap 3♠ immediately?the only propriety reason is weakish ♠ suit,if it's weak suit and partner can't raise 3,why u forced to select ?4-1 distribution is normal alloting. with a weakish suit and good hand,why openner didn't bid t/o following 2♥ overcall?that is the same reason for punishment of 3♥----his shape isn't short in ♥. take instance: AKxxxx AQx Axx x BTW, i sld indicate it's stopper probe if openner cuebid 3♥ immediately,it's a little help to analyse why openner can jump 3♠ with his 6cards self-solid ♠. regards 000002

it's certain slam probe to pull 3nt,even if 5♦ leap to signoff. which message is need to show when we detect a slam? 1)major side suit 2)shortness 3)control on each suit 4)key card 5)strength the only inessential is 5)strength in this case.the most important is 3)control and 1)side suit. so the new suit on 4level is cuebid,and 4♦ is a button to switch it; 4nt is keycard seeking;5♦ allow pd to raise 6♦ with his perfect 15(3Aces and trump King) i am interesting to hear how to switch 4♦/4♥/4♠/5♣,it's neccesary to arrange renewedly. regards 000002

April 13,i met this hand on the chinese national bridge association 2007 "canghe autocar" cup. opps preempt 2♠ with an noncommittal minor,pd overcall 3♥ and RHO jump 4♠ with a big sound.i look my hand and glance the tray,it's cool and jarless . i take 4nt and plop on tray, in silence. KJX AXXXX AQ9 QT my 4NT forced pd to select in minors, i planed to back 5♥ hint slam 6♥. but, when tray back, he bid 5♥ directly. i was confused with my hand now,i fetch a coin from my packge,threw in the sky and pray god to decide. 3judgements were looking me and they all smiled :blink: . GOD,he told me passed and it's successed. any clue to signoff 5♥? regards 000002

cherdano: yes, u r right. when we construct an overcalling frame,we should suppose typical hand without special. openner maybe 8Hps only,F-Jumper maybe nobbler,and partner maybe 6ps..... but, we are in gear. inquriy: yes, many way to detect game. but ,do we ever arrange it in science? why 3♦-q is intense invitation? i don't believe any bridge rule now, because occident ever taught chineses that "to die without free" . regards 000002

i ever make 7♠ and opps down 5 meanwhile they bid 6♠ only. it's wrong when anyone decide a rule based on a special hand. i am surprised who bid T/O with 2Aces only. i think we all consider this T/O is correct and criterion. it's fallacy of course when T/O is original skew and intentionally distort. regards 000002

Don't quite get you... what is "don't quite get you ..." meaning in english? regards 000002

yes i agree u.but i notice that we have 12max points in this case---open+overcall+invite=28Hcps always. with 8-12ps,to distinguish invitation or competition is necessary,but i think it's NOT key focus now when i raise a simple overcall to 3level.it's auto promise that i have an invitational hand. when i start an invitatioal DBL-3♣,partner(overcaller) can cue 3♦ to invite me too,or DBL-3♦ to show invitational hand. 1d--1h--3c--x 3d--x:invite 4♥. what is the difference between this 2way? if we DBL-3♣ to show ♠,what is 3♦ meaning if overcaller bid it? 1d--1h--3c--x /----3d? shape/counts/trump/stopper? regards 000002

i study this quetion half month about 2years ago,and conclude the conclusion 5winner tricks is the basic frame of referrence in T/O-DBL's hand. then ,assume decider has n winner tricks ,(n-1) is bidding level to decide. in this case,we hold 6♣ winner and ♥ q,(6-1)=5 is synoptical eduction. regards 000002

i met this hand 2days ago,the aution started from a fitjump: 1♦--1♥---3♣---? opponent open 1♦,partner overcall 1♥,RHO jump 3♣ with 8-10Hcps and 44minors,total 9cards+always,unbalanced normally. what is 3♦-Q meaning? and how to prevent opps 6♦ when we are unbalanced too?following hand described belong to N-S. 9854 8 AK873 A92 ---- Q92 J972 KQJ864 it appeared on chinese bridge association "canghe autocar" cup tournament,would u like to teach them? thanks ,regards 000002

:) why not jump 4♠ after 3♥ recurrence? :) regards 000002

i am pleasure to read post wrote by u. illutrate: AKxx xxx xx AKQJ This hand is good enough to bid 5♣ and can avoid a latent dangerous as below: Qxxxxx KQJ KQ xx the way is responder back 5♥ as last train following opener's 5♦,to require opener's average(up) control quality for slam.opener must accept it with his possible holding--: xxxxxx AQx KQ xx this way cause a inference that 4NT is a little futile/redundant . if responder need 2 A he always can start from cuebid but no need asking bid. if 4NT can be handled as a cuebid waiting,that means direct 5♣ is an natural invitation,and 5♦/5♥ can be arranged as...... i am pleasur to discuss with u,good regards. 000002

I accept the concept which 2nt or 3nt-leap can be combined to described the responder's hand,if it's precondition,3♦-Q guarantee balanced hand. it is advantage to help us probe the puzzle:why responder can pull secure 4♠ with his "flat" hand? what is 4♠ leap? since u live with the openner's s/v describe is a possible arrange,now we can debar it from 4♠ leap.5332/6322/5422/7222 is total chance; since we have discussed that 3nt is natural waiting,we can debar good trump suit from 4♠ leap.qxxxx is the maximum strength; as mentioned in upside example,we never debar an natural side suiter exist in leap.5-5/6-4 is necessary to deal with. now we can define this jumpy 4♠ is 3 possibility: 1)balanced regularity 2)poor trump 3)double suiter 3rd is the most necessary to solve, among it,we had to give up something. if we can untie 5-5/6-4 double suiter as natural under 4♠,i would take 2nd condition as criterion,the reason is they are homology between 1st and 2nd:with 13-14balanced hand, abandon 3nt immediately often imply a poor key suit. but,i admit, 5422 can make an exception. we can not untie ♠+♥ even though 4♥ leap showing s/v is repeat,citing: 1s-2d-3d-p 3h-p--4c-p 4h? this 4♥ is cuebid,or s/v,or natural.direct jumpy 4♥ can remedy one only. there are more pressing in ♠+♣. i think we have to select one--unless an master expose it with a relay system to solve. IMO,nether 2hand is standward jumpy 4♠: xxxxxx AKx xx Ax xxxxx AQ A Qxxxx regards 000002

In other words, after the cue raise, 3NT is no longe a viable contract and, therefore, serious 3NT. if it's game force,i agree that s-3nt is better. it's many possibility exist in game-try,natural 3nt has more frequence happened to cause a game swing,compare with slam. I'm not sure what "s/v" means singleton/void. many 9cards trump fit bring a high efficiency slam,and need aptitude to show it. if we have 25 total perfect counts and 9trumps,we have seldom chance to lack of control in one suit. we are habit to think the cuebid is very important,but is it real crux to show on 3level/4level/5level and 4nt,does it too many cuebid exist in? A direct 4♣ bypassed 3NT and, accordingly, is purely cooperative without a heart control. if a direct 4♣ hint lack of ♥ control,what is difference between responder's 4♥/4♦ cue? serious is a good handle but we'll lose too many shapely slam. 5♦ is a possible bid as described. since we donot exactly describe what is jumpy 4♠ till now,we can not define which hand is good enough to over bid secure 4level.balanced 19hcps is a general show but it's rare apparently,we ought not to arrange a 1/million hand to handle it. regards 000002

i find we have many consistant view after reading 11/12th post,so i reply simply. our central difference is : i insist on what 4♠ leap is nucleus and Mister ignore it as a sensible selective favoritism on the table. we must distinguish nether 2 auction to discover this bouncing 4♠ : A) 1s---(2d)---3d---p 3h---p---3n---p 4c? :) 1s---(2d)---3d---p 4c? B is cuebid with 15counts+ or 1+more trick as someone ever pointed; A is s/v,did u oppose? the basic is what is 3♥ contain,especially, what is responder 's obligation to stop on 3nt. BTW,it's zero percent i think if we cue 5♦ without ♥/♣ control,the mere hand look seems : AKxx/QJx/AQ/QJxx. following the normal jumpy opening and RHO minor 2/1 overcall,either upper 18counts is the land of abundance. regards 000002