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RussK_NJ

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  1. Scratch the club showing, i was responding without having the hand in front of me.
  2. :lol: OK, i'm an intermediate player. Why not just overbid 1♠. Wouldn't a direct overbid show 5 spades? The partner could then directly reply 2♠. You could go directly to 4♠, show your clubs (requiring an answer) or go directly to 4♠.
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