bobtodd

I also agree with this ;-)

I also agree with this ;-)

Hi, Good thought except I actually wanted to generate hands that held exactly 4S 4H 3D and 2C opposite more shapely hands. Because of the issues I was having generating useful hands I started restricting 1 hand type for N and different types for south. I would then generate other hands for North such as exactly 3343 and then separately deal any flat hand for North. It seems of the constraint is too general you don't get enough interesting hands. Using the linux program dealer and using generate and produce, you get much better hands. Bob

Hi, Thanks for the reply. Yes - I did constrain by using the advanced tab. That lead to more questions. Can you use constraints + advanced. How do you add multiple constraints and verify that they are being applied. I had some strange results when I used Constraint 1 and constraint 2. Also sometimes when i edited constraint 2, constraint 1 went away. It would be really nice to see some instructions that about setting constraints. The only way I could sensibly use 2 constraints was to edit the data in advanced and type in the 2nd set of constraints. When I set set up the rules using dealer. I copied those into advanced. I also added a line "dealer north". That did work and I assume I have to add that to the string Condition (dealer north && (shape ...... )) to get north to deal as well as setting up other constraints in Advanced. Bob

Hi- I tried user BBO's practise to generate hands but that wasn't very successful perhaps because my constraints were too tight. I install dealer on Ubuntu Linux. $Revision: 1.24 $ $Date: 2003/08/05 19:53:04 $ $Author: henk $. I got some decent results but still some difficulties. Found dealer.php on BBO and pasted the rseults from Linux dealer and ran. Good results. I wanted to generate inverted minors in a wek NT structure (12-14). First test was opening hand was 15-17 4432 or 4333 opposite 5+D and 12+HCP plus a little extra shape. This is what Linus dealer generated. generate 500000 produce 20 dealer north condition (shape(north,4333 + 4432) and hcp(north)>=15 && hcp(north) <=17) and (shape(south,3343 + 3361 + 3163 +1363 + 3154 +1354 +1264 +2164 +2155 +1255) && (hcp(south)>=12 and hcp(south)<=18)) action printoneline sample output was: (as expected .. there was more data) n A982.K832.K97.AK e K5.Q975.63.Q8754 s JT4.A64.AQ84.J93 w Q763.JT.JT52.T62 n AKQ2.J943.943.AJ e T8763.K87.J82.92 s J.A5.AK765.KQ863 w 954.QT62.QT.T754 n K542.AJ74.A64.K2 e 86.T82.Q92.A8753 s AQ3.Q.JT853.QJT9 w JT97.K9653.K7.64 n AK32.AKJ.T42.J54 e JT7.84.AQ73.T973 s 5.65.KJ965.AKQ82 w Q9864.QT9732.8.6 Here is the problem. When I pasted the source into dealer.php on BBO that also worked. When I went to Bidding practise and pasted the same source into "Advanced" I get output but not very good output. I don't think I can control the "generate" command. Also I specified "dealer north" as above - but dealer kept rotating. In order to generate the less frequent distributions such as 3154 1264 etc, I think generating lots of hands is important. Maybe BBOs practise interface is to constrained. Can anybody provide some guidance? the Deal program is very nice as is the Pre-processor dpp but they are a little hard to grasp and get used to. an anybody tell me what is wrong with specifying "dealer north" in source/Advanced and why my distributions are so flat. Thanks