Just looking for some general input and discussion. Bidding 1 ♣ - dbl - P - ( A ) What do you need in ( A ) to bid 2 ♠ 's? 1 ♣ - Dbl - P - 1 ♠ 2 ♣ - ( B ) what do you need in ( B ) to bid 2 ♠ 's 1 ♣ - Dbl - P - 1 ♠ 2 ♣ - P - P - ( C ) what do you need in ( C ) to bid 2 ♠ 's Please make general comments as well if needed For me I would expect: ( A ) 9 points -- giving points for dist (assume fit). ( B ) 15 GOOD points but I'd like to have 16 ( C ) 4 + points (Note this hand is already limited in ( A ) ) *If I have another 4 card suit (hearts or diamonds) I'll bid 2 of that suit here instead. I think the discussion by necessity needs to include what will you double with? But I'll leave that discussion for now. And another question for ( C ) what would a dbl now mean?