Wow, good NEWS! :o Waked up and saw major percentage players are with me!!! Lucky I can still enjoy the bridge game. It is still the same as I thought. :D I just like logic. IMHO, Bidding always shows extra, not less. At least I never heard that: 1c/ 1nt/ 2c/ 2nt (this 2nt is less strength than 1nt.....) Ohh my god, that will be a dizaster, at least to me. Logically, since P always have the possibility of having extra: points, control, shape, double match. and with your hand, limited information. there is obsolutly NO reason to force your Pd to shut UP. :rolleyes: If you have extra, forcing or inviting, if not and you want to stay here, tell you P "I wanna stay here" that is my understanding about to play. Honestly, even if you wanna sign off, like 1S-1nt(forcing) 2c-2s This 2s, I think 99% of the players will agree it is a sign off, it is even worse than 1s/2s. besides, your P is limited to not have the good hands like open 1S and rebid 3 level. However, your P still allow to bid. well I admit 95%+ percentage you will pass. open 1, the range is too wide. what is your problem is your got to find a way to explain yourself better in an efficient way. That is a fun part of bridge game. FREE, allow me to be kidding here: I describe you as follows: In 30-35 and with advanced skill. The reason is you will accept fight, so you must be young, you stick with what you thought, so you can't be very young. and you are confident, so you must be at least advanced. But I didn't find any evident that you prefer logic you I guess you are not an expert. Forgive me rudeness, I just like to make a fun. You should know how happy I am when I know I could still enojy bridge here. :D :lol: :lol: