Bermy

Yes, I count myself amount those frequent posters, who has simply given up. What is the point of complaining if all you get in return is excuses as to how impossible the job is. I recently downloaded ibridgeplus, (highly recommended to iPad and iPhone users) to find a real bridge robot, one I can really identify with. While I admit the interface is not quite perfect yet, I will not complain about the robot play since bridge is NOT a perfect science, and I do not expect perfect bridge playing robots. However, I must admit how nice it is to be able to play with a robot partner that bids and signals my way. If the robot does not behave as I wish, I simply edit the system until it does. Many bidding systems are available including Precision, Advance Precision, Acol, 2/1, says, polish, sef and more. I can bid a system I want to play, and not the system set for me by programmers who design methods that simply don’t work. Results have more variation, and if you get a result you didn’t like, you can look at how others bid it and find better methods. I must say how nice it is to play real bridge for a change, without the “best hand” nonsense. I’m influencing results again with weak hands, something one can’t do with gib. Playing too much Gib. Bridge does not give you sufficient practice for the real world, since you rarely get hands less than 11 hip. I also have no limitations on the blind cards, so playing with the advantage of knowing no hand is better than yours no longer applies. The most noticeable difference is that the cards have changed too. I can play hands where the finesse actually works some of the time. Opps don’t seam to always lead the perfect card, almost as if it knows it’s partners short suit, and always finding the perfect switch. Somehow I get the feeling that gib robots seem to know more than it should. Hands are repetitive and very familiar. If I need a finesse to make a contract, BBO hands seem to make sure that the finesse will fail, so it pays to try a different line, however when this is the percentage play, it’s nice to know that the finesse at least has a chance. So if frequent complaining does not work, do as I did............Find a new robot. If all of us voted with our feet, maybe BBO will find a new robot too.

I could not have said it better myself. However I have been playing with Gib every day for near 20 years now, if you want to work out what I have spent, so I have witnessed all their so called. Upgrades and improvements, bringing us to the rubbish we have today. Oh,and you forgot to mention rebidding a 4 card suit 3 times. How many more upgrades do we need? The limitations of the poor 2/1 bidding system that Gib uses (Not saying all 2/1is bad, just Gib modified version ) makes it impossible to ever get the structure to work.

Yes, I agree, they do need a little work on the user interface, however the hard part has been done. This is a real bridge playing robot that really simulates a bridge match. It bids,plays and defends rather well too. The hard work has been done, without excuses as to how difficult AI is. They prove that what Gib programmers claim is not really impossible. Programming my partner to bid, lead and signal my way makes all the difference. I don’t have to endure the rather ridiculous methods of the programmers. I don’t have to endure their bidding opinions either. Sorry Gib and BBO but I have a new alternative now. Hooray 😃

Wow, I have recently downloaded the new ibridgeplus app and ............omg , Gib better start improving soon, as this is a robot for the 21 st century. This new app is what robot bridge should be all about. All the options, all the bidding systems, all the lead and signals even options on opps bidding systems. Even a design it yourself feature. And none of this “best hand “ nonsense, just real bridge. Highly recommended.

Ok then, why do I bother? I have spend a great deal of time planning and building a bidding language that actually works at the bridge table. I have payed it for years, and know if works. It has taken a lot of work and time collecting, formatting and writing these tables in a complicated jigsaw puzzle that works for every hand. I have spend a great deal of time working on and formatting these notes for those who maybe interested. BBO you are the ONLY forem where I can post such an International Language on such a public forem., and it is really a very good system. So if you want to know more..........,, Why should I bother?

I find it absolutely disgusting that you should use my feed to sell your own agenda. My notes are available for free and done in response to requests for more information. I previously asked all wankers to stay off my feeds if they were not interested in the subject, seems like you did not get the message. You system, as I read it, is not Precision at all, but rather a new strong club system. It has and will never have any universal appeal, and therefore will never rival Precision. Wei Precision is played almost everywhere in the world, yours I have no intention of promoting. :angry:

Ha, now I suppose now if I book a game at a Hong Kong club, all I have to do is find a partner and get them to read these notes on BBO forum. Thank you Mr. Wei, the smart way. :D :D

I need to come back to that point now about that sequence 1♥ -1♠-2NT and other sequences where this 2NT bid applies. As has already been pointed out, it would never work with 2 minimum hands. It is a Blind Mad Bid really, and to be used with care. Within the language the bid is available, and its meaning should be clear, max 5332. However it is rather a specialist bid for when Blind partner should have a super good maximum. Aces and Kings with tails, not dames and splats. In competition, this hand becomes easier to bid. If applied correctly it serves as an invitational bid to Control Partner, who should know what to do. ;)

I have asked for questions, that apply to the subject. I am amazed how few I am getting, does all of this make so much sense to all you guys out there? :unsure: I have been playing CP for years(with great success when playing with the right partners), many have asked me to publish it over the years. Now I have done so for the benefit of them, not for the benefit of stroking your ego, however, you repaired that. I have said so often, this is how you standardize a language, play any way you like with your partner, but universally it has to be standard. If I were to standardize any language for playing Precision, it would be Wei, a bidding system already translated into many languages and discussed in Asia for years. I have not called my system Wei Precision as that would be a plagiarize. I have made variations, and have not stuck to the original, therefore it would have to be my version, with its own name. This is a modern tune up, and for the benefit of those who are interested. If you have no interest, I do not know why you bother to read it, perhaps you want ready yourself, to play against us, Thats OK. B-)

:blink: Maybe the Universal Standardization of Wei. Imagine if someone could translate these notes into Chinese. Then I would be able to play bridge like this almost anywhere in the world, including Beijing. :o You can translate Polish Club any way you like for me, perhaps even into English, yes I have references thank you. All systems have its merits, we have tournaments to resolve these issues. However, I am unlikely to ever want to learn anything else, other than to play against.

Firstly, yes I am aware of 2 methods to the IN, We have always preferred this method, when using BOBS rule, as it is more consistent and more efficient, it combines the language with Freds Stairs nicely. I am aware of your argument in favor of the reverse, and don't mind what you choose. These hands are so rare. I had to make a decisions,as I am trying to standardize and therefore will continue my way. Perhaps I can write a chapter on alternatives, but maybe best left to you. As for comparison with other systems, well I need no argument. Try it, let the results at the table tell you which is best. All systems work best when both partners are playing the same way.

:P Phew, now that's more complicated than Lebensohl, isn't it? There is much more to discuss, including bidding in Competition and more advanced bids like Transfers, Omegas, Modern NT bidding and yes wait for it, Control Precision for when we are overcall bidding. New ideas and concepts that may delight you. Please do not be afraid to ask any questions,I love good questions, stick to the subject and mind your manners please, and please report any typos. I am aware alternative methods are available, however this is my style, all planned and designed for Control Precision. When bidding in steps beware of over asking and overbidding. All steps are designed weakest answer first strongest last, however you must never ask the question, if you cannot stand the answer. I guess I will now have to answer question like "What happens if.......? or What do I do when.........?" I really do not mind♥. I have tried to resolve all conflicts of bids, however if you see any, open it for discussion and lets us revue. I have now compiled a complete road map of how I play Wei, and propose we use some of these ideas to promote the Universal language of C.C. Wei, and to get more players playing Precision again Now we have tuned up this old V8 lets see what happens when we apply a Turbo. B-) :rolleyes:

DOPI and ROPI Double 0 Pass 1 Redouble 0 Pass 1 These bids are used if our Opponents bid during RKC 0314, Minorwood and Voidwood. They are almost the same as the DIPTO and RIPTO bids, but are used to count the Aces and Kings after an Overcall. Double (Redouble) shows 0 or 3 Aces from 5 and Pass is 1 or 4 aces from 5. The next bid up is 3 steps showing 2 from 5 aces, while 4 steps is 2/5 Aces with the Queen of Trumps. With the first 2 steps being negative (weak scenario) this also gives the Control Partner the option to double the Opponent’s bid, should he believe that it will be more rewarding. DIPTO and RIPTO Asking Bids Double 1 Pass TwO Redouble 1 Pass TwO We use these bids whenever there is interference over our Steps or Asking Bids. This means that if the Opposition bid over our bids, we bid double to show One Step, Pass to show 2 Steps and the next suite up to show 3 steps, and so on. These bids are made by the Blind Bidder, after being asked to answer the bid, but has had to deal with an opponent’s bid interfering. With the first 2 steps being negative (weak scenario) this also gives the Control Partner the option to double the Opponent’s bid, should he believe that it will be more rewarding. Rkc 0314 Asking Bids In Control Precision we use the standard for of Roman Key Card Blackwood 4No Trumps Bid. If there is an agreed trump suite, then the King of Trumps becomes the 5th ace. Should the trump suit be unsure, we count the king of the last suit bid by the Partnership. We then can bid 5No Trumps to ask for Kings providing the partnership is holding all 5 aces. The king of trumps must not be bid again as a King in response to the 5NT bid. 1 step 0 or 3Aces from 5 2 steps 1 or 4 Aces from 5 3 steps 2 aces from 5 without holding the Queen of trumps. 4 steps 2 aces and the Queen of trumps In competitive Bidding, DIPTO and RIPTO to convey information over the opponents bid. If Control Bidder prefers to make 5NT the final Contract, he simply bids the unbid suit asking for a transfer to 5NT. Other methods may be used. Minorwood and Voidwood are also employed. Voidwood The object of Voidwood is to establish how many first round controls we have outside the bid suite. So, holding a void in a suite, the Control bidder needs to establish the controls of the other 3 suites. He does so by asking Blackwood at the 5 levels, in the suite of which he is void. The rules are the same as RKC 0314/5, and you bid in steps from the asking suite. However, you disregard your Ace of that suite, and bid it as a King instead. Minorwood Once a Minor suit has been established as the trump suit, then a rebid on the four level of the Minor trump suit triggers the Roman Keycard Blackwood Asking conventional method. The responses indicate the number of Key Cards exactly as in Roman Keycard Blackwood.

Responding Two Hearts to One Club This 2♥ response to 1♣ Opening shows 0-7 Hcp. with a 7 card suit, or 5-7 Hcp. with a 6 card suit. This is a relatively strong bid, and can reach Game or Slam with the right fit. We use Fred’s Stairs to ask the Blind Bidder his exact holding in the long suite and where the high card points are located, by bidding the next suite up the line. This One step relay bid takes all priority over any natural bids. Should the Control Bidder decide not to accept the long suit, any new bid will be considered as Unsafe to Bid. Responding Two Spades to One Club This 2♠ response to 1♣ Opening shows 0-7 Hcp. with a 7 card suit, or 5-7 Hcp. with a 6 card suit. This is a relatively strong bid, and can reach Game or Slam with the right fit. We use Fred’s Stairs to ask the Blind Bidder his exact holding in the long suite and where the high card points are located, by bidding the next suite up the line. This One step relay bid takes all priority over any natural bids. Should the Control Bidder decide not to accept the long suit, any new bid will be considered as Unsafe to Bid. Responding Three Clubs to One Club This 3♣ response to 1♣ Opening shows 4-7 Hcp. with a 7 card suit, or 6-7 Hcp. with a 6 card suit. This is a relatively strong bid, and can reach Game or Slam with the right fit. We use Fred’s Stairs to ask the Blind Bidder his exact holding in the long suite and where the high card points are located, by bidding the next suite up the line. This One step relay bid takes all priority over any natural bids. 4♣ at any point in the bidding will be Minorwood. Should the Control Bidder decide not to accept the long suit, any new bid will be considered as Unsafe to Bid. Responding Three Diamonds to One Club This 3♦ response to 1♣ Opening shows 4-7 Hcp. with a 7 card suit, or 6-7 Hcp. with a 6 card suit. This is a relatively strong bid, and can reach Game or Slam with the right fit. We use Fred’s Stairs to ask the Blind Bidder his exact holding in the long suite and where the high card points are located, by bidding the next suite up the line. This One step relay bid takes all priority over any natural bids. 4♦ at any point in the bidding will be Minorwood. Should the Control Bidder decide not to accept the long suit, any new bid will be considered as Unsafe to Bid. Fred’s Stairs. Used for weak long responses below 7Hcp. Asking Bids Fred’s Stairs is the use of steps when Blind Bidder has a long six card suit and less than 8Hcp in response to 1♣ openings. Bidding 2 NT, allows Control Bidder to see exactly where the Blind Bidders high card points are, since it is limited to seven high card points. Fred’s Stairs is triggered by a One Step DIPTO relay in competition. Therefore Double triggers Fred’s Stairs and pass asks Blind Partner to double. The Blind Bidder responds with 1step ….. 0-4 Hcp with a 6 card suit 2steps ….. 0-4 Hcp with 7 card suit 3steps ….. 5-7 Hcp with 0-1 Hcp in Trump suit 4steps ….. 5-7 Hcp with 2-4 Hcp in Trump suit 5steps ….. 5-7 Hcp with 5-7 Hcp in Trump suit By simple calculation, Control Bidder can see what high card points are in bid suit. Any new bid by Control Bidder will now be a Beta Bid.

Alpha Asking Bid Alpha steps are an asking bid used by Control Bidder in order to explore the possibility of slam when game seems to be certain. They are used when 1♣ Opening and a positive answer triggers it. This bid confirms Blind Bidder’s first suit, and asks about the Aces, Kings and Queens. The Alpha Bid may be used as the first asking bid, or may be used after a Delta Bid instead of a Beta Bid. 1 Step….. 5/6 card suit with no major picture card. No Honours 2 Steps….. 5 card suit with 1 picture card. 1 from the top 3 honours 3 Steps….. 5 card suit with 2 picture cards. 2 from the top 3 honours 4 Steps….. 6 card suit with 1 picture card. 1 from the top 3 honours 5 Steps….. 6 card suit with 2 picture cards from top three. 6 steps….. A K and Q in suit solid. 012 123….. Makes the Alpha bid easy to remember. All asking bids after the Alpha is Beta. Beta Asking Bid Beta steps are used after an Alpha Bid or after a Delta Bid or a Gamma Bid. The Beta Bid asks Blind Bidder to show the holding in a side suit. This shows Control Bidder the dangers in those side suits before going to a slam. The Beta Bid can be asked twice if space allows. Beta Bids cannot be the first asking bid. 1 Step….. No 1st or 2nd control….. Qxx or worse, or doubleton or worse 2 Steps….. 2nd round control….. Kx or singleton 3 Steps….. 2nd and 3rd round control….. KQ or singleton King 4 Steps….. 1st round control ….. Ace or void 5 steps….. 1st and second round control….. Ace and King or Ace singleton Gamma Asking Bid Gamma Steps are used in 1♣ Positive, whenever the Blind Bidder has shown a Balanced Hand, After the 1NT or 2NT or 3NT response, Clubs will always be Staymen for a four card major. Any new suit bid by the Control Bidder is a Gamma Bid and not a transfer. In Control Precision Plus, the 1♣/1♥ the same rules apply. A new suit is a Gamma Bid and 2♣ is Stayman. 1 Step….. Minimum support Doubleton xx 2 Steps….. Doubleton with a pic. Xx, or Three card support no pic, xxx 3 Steps….. Three card support one pic, Xxx 4 Steps….. Three card support two pics, XXx 5 Steps….. Three card support all three pics With 4 card support add one step. After any Gamma Bid, next suit asked by Control Bidder will be a Beta. Delta Asking Bid Delta Steps are used in 1♣ Positive, whenever the Control Bidder wants to ask Blind Bidder about the length and strength of a specific suit. Bidding a new suit triggers the Delta Bid. 1 Step Unbalanced hand with more information to give and no tolerance for Control Bidder’s suit. This triggers the One Step One Step relay, whereby the Control Bidder asks for more information by bidding the next step up. 2 Steps 8-10 Hcp with doubleton support. Balanced Hand. 3 Steps 11+ Hcp with doubleton support. Balanced Hand. 4 Steps Three or more cards support. 5 Steps Interest in slam, whereby the Control Bidder asks for more information by bidding the next step up. This triggers the One Step One Step relay, so that the Blind Bidder can show an interesting shape. Any new suite now by Control Bidder is now either a Beta Bid, or an Alpha Bid. Repeat of the Delta bid (if not a game bid) is asking about trump holding. This is answered with one step for no pics and a further step for each pic card in suite. Responses to any jump (weak pre-empt style at 2 or 3 level longer) Control Bidder is dealing with a completely different type of hand here as it is weaker than the above hands (below 7Hcp.), so in line with our little dance, I have devised some steps for these situations, that I have called Freds Stairs. One must be aware that apace is limited, so beware of overbidding. All asking bids after Freds Stairs will be a Beta Bid.