Fascinating, the same people who argue in favour of "creative bidding" will bleat on for hours in other forums about why they should be alerted, who was at fault, and so on. Gabor's initial post was about destructive bidding. Those who call it "creative bidding" are just using a term which sounds more acceptable. And Gabor was not saying such bidding should be banned. Simply that if you want to play bridge that way then the points system should penalise you, not give you an advantage. Sounds fair to me.