okay just now on BBO I got dealt a wild hand. Unfortunately the host banned me from the table after I made my bid so I'm not 100% on the cards but I had 9! clubs to the QJT. We are white, opponents are red (this is described as white / red?) Bidding goes Pass, Pass and it's my bid. My concern is if I pre-empt at the four level my opponents might still find a major suit game. I had a fairly weak hand and do not recall the exact distribution of the other cards. Maybe 3 diamonds one heart? I think I had around 8 HCP in total.