The line i sujjested would succeed if either 1)Spades are 3-3. 2)spade Jx in one hand. 3)club honour singleton in one hand. The line you are referring would succeed if either 1)hearts are 4-4,west can not have SJx if he has singleton C,east can not have singleton D 2)If west ruffs 4th heart-west can not have singleton club,can not have originally SJxx,east can not have singleton diamond. There are other variations i.e instead of ruffing 4th heart west discards cK now sJx with west is enough if east has sigleton diamond etc. Go figure.. :rolleyes: