thx all... if you hold 18-20balanced hand, you will open 1m then jump to 2nt in natural system. in fact. it's waste too much space to seek a better contract. that's the reason why I use 2c=18-bad 20, bal. and the result is that i have to use 2d as a game forcing hand. from misho's reply, i think maybe the responder shows his/her controls better. Before the GF hand showing his distribution, the responder should not occupy the space.