Since I am definitely among today's enlightened bidders, I insist that this vulnerable 3514 powerhouse 10 count is surely a mandatory opening. But you say "it's even better, you have the J of spades with xx supporting it ". Of course,how could I be so blind? I admit to not having updated my glasses (like I have my bidding ) to where I can see this "holding " as a value. However, my partner is also a very modern player and together we have found an infallible system whereby the manner in which we remove our cards from the bidding box indicates if we have a MODERN 1h - or a TRADITIONAL 1h. We have a complete array of bidding tools for all traditional openings, so we only need to temper our enthusiasm opposite MODERN BIDS. Our successes are just too numerous to list here, and we are busily checking discount fares for the next Bermuda Bowl. Only one small problem remains - SCREENS. However, we are very MODERN fellows so we will find a solution! Wish us luck please :) BLUE HAZE