Hello, Here's a board i played witch raised some thoughts : [hv=d=s&v=n&n=saqj98xhaktxxdxcx&s=sxxhj9xdaqxxcajxx]133|200|Scoring: MP South North 1D 1S 1NT 3H* 3NT 4S P * : natural, game forcing, at least 5 spades and 4 hearts ; 2H would not have been forcing[/hv] We were vulnerable against not at MP, playing french standard, which is very close to SAYC. I know this sequence may not be very efficient, but please try to answer the first questions as though you were playing SAYC. First, about the 4S bid : 1a) 4S shows a (game forcing) hand with at least 6 spades and 4 hearts. what's the upper limit ? (in term of losing tricks count for example) 1b) related question : is 4S a "closing bid", like 1NT - 3NT, or can/must opener make a move towards slam with some appropriate hands ? Now, about the slam try: 2) my partner and I couldn't solve this issue : responder has great playing strengh, yet he sees that the 5 level may be too high. On the other hand, opener cannot see the big picture like reponder can, but he somehow knows the 5 level is safe because of the minor aces. what do you think about it : is it clearly the responsibility of one of the two hands to make a move towards slam (which one ?), is this formulation not tackling the problem the right way, etc. ? 3) where can i find a good checkback or double checkback structure after 1x - 1M - 1NT, and how would you bid these two hands after a 1D - 1S - 1NT start ? All comments, pieces of advice, criticism are welcome. Michael