lute57

Actually Shugart23 the Multi 2NT fits in nicely to some Precision systems and it is "fun" to play. To really weigh its value, you need to see how it meshes with the rest of YOUR system. Of course ACBL, does not allow it - but they do not own the bridge world. I live in the USA and our local bridge club allows it but we have to provide our opponents with a written recommended defense against it and of course we can't use it in any ACBL sanctioned events. So I am lucky to play in a progressive open-minded club. Will ACBL ever allow it? Only if there are radical changes in its leadership. Too bad the existing leaders are not as open-minded and progressive as the Director at my local club. I should also pass praise to the members who play in my club. They are of the same progressive and open-minded nature as the Director and we have never had anyone object to our use of the Multi 2NT. Too bad there are many others who do not share that view. Shugart23, if Multi 2NT fits into your system nicely, then play it - it really is fun and that's what bridge should really be about. You can play it in BBO (but not ACBL). As a courtesy to your opponents you may want to offer them a recommended written defense to use against it if they desire (we want them to enjoy bridge, too!). Lute :ph34r:

I disagree. IMO after Opener bids a strong 1♣, if the opponents intervene, using Pass to show 0-4 HCP and X to show 5-7 HCP has merit. Of course at some level of interference, you probably have to have both a takeout bid of sorts and one to bring down the hatchet; but for the common lower levels of interference, Pass to show 0-4 HCP and X to show 5-7 work just fine. My assumption here is the Precision players are using Asking bid sequences on any positive response to the 1♣ Opening. So Pass to show 0-4 HCP and X to show 5-7 HCP and any other bid is Positive and initiates an Asking bid sequence. If the opponents continue to badger you, then apply backward bidding. When they finally realize they are helping you, they usually stop throwing garbage at you. It was not elaborated on; but is the suggestion to X for takeout apply to hands holding 0-7 HCP - or is it limited to 5-7 HCP - or can it include stronger Responder hands? For me, I am not losing my Asking bid abilities by allowing hands > 7 HCP. Using X as 5-7 HCP (not takeout) gives Opener valuable information. It allows Opener to gauge whether to pass - invite - or force on. In the example used to initiate this thread, nothing was really said about Opener's hand except he passed to start the second round of the auction. The other thing to remember with Responder's X is he will normally get a chance to bid again so if he has a takeout hand shape, he will still start to show it afterwards with the comfort of knowing he has already told partner of his limited 5-7 HCP. In that case, that is what he did, but I would have bid 2S first and then bid clubs and clubs, and clubs :D Lute :ph34r: