captyogi

Come On. quote = = = = = How tell me that also the old stars of bridge didn't make the same ? = = = = = unquote This thought even is Harsh. They are Gods for we all Bridge Lovers. Anyway, I read in few posts, Where there is Smoke, There is Fire. There was Never Smoke in Old Days. Pollution may be modern day phenomenon.

I think your pd must learn to remember to Alert. You have said it at Club Level, so ok, people are forgiving type. At competitive Level, why should you expect mercy from Opps, better get penalized few times, your partner will learn to Alert.

Hi Again, I just copied symbols in your post. My job is done. One of my friends is writing one book on system, which is very sophisticated and for high level partnerships, there are 32 deals and bidding. I will probably never be playing that system , as I hate too many sequences.

Thank You TriniDad, I will try that and if successful will let you know. As regards repeating, once I hv cracked I will just copy paste.

I want to Type Suit Symbols S H D C in Word or Excel File. I tried Alt key + 2660 or 2661 etc. No success. Grateful if anybody can tell me.

As regards Lawyer taking Cross of an Expert Witness in Court, I can assure you, Lawyers can tear apart the Expert Witness, they go to any level, they build up Cross slowly slowly, Experts Witness ( not only in Bridge, each and every field ) are thorough in their field and knowledge, but facing Lawyer standing in witness box is totally different ball game altogether, Expert Witness might not be Psychologically strong enough to receive missiles from unexpected corners, and once he has been demoralised, every likelyhood he will faulter in answering questions in his own field, Defence Lawyer's mission accomplished. So anybody planning to go as an Expert Witness newly, i.e. you are not a regular professional Expert Witness, better Do lot of homework with your own Lawyers. And get trained what questions Cross Lawyer is allowed to ask, which he might ask, only to provoke, instigate or destabilize you.

As regards Code Breaking Method, What Do We Expect should be the Success Rate ? 75 % ? 80 % 85 % 90 ?

As regards Coughing ( not necessarily in this case, otherwise also ), What we can watch is if the players coughing during play, were coughing in between rounds also or when they were resting pair. If otherwise normally they were not coughing that day, we can safely say, why you get cough only during Round ? Same thing goes for other acts, like scratching etc.

How Sad for 2 Israeli Pairs, they toiled and got berth in BB and now they must wait for 2 years and undergo qualifying rounds and qualify.

I Fully Agree with what Mikeh is saying. Zasanya is not totally wrong, but very difficult to fullfill his requirements to give ruling = = = = = Zasanya says : I have been intrigued by the comments of several usually rational posters here. I am referring to the term perfect evidence or sufficient evidence. What is perfect evidence ? Even if someone confesses to a crime, one could say he might have confessed because of torture or because he wanted to protect someone. When does the evidence become perfect or sufficient? After 100 examples ? 1000 thousand examples? Can we put a number on this? = = = = = = = Mikeh Comments Nobody is looking for perfect evidence. It doesn't exist in real life. We are talking about basic logic. Try reading the posts again...try to understand the points being made. There are proper, logical ways to demonstrate levels of correspondence between suspicious activity and unusual results. All such methods depend on analyzing patterns. It is impossible to prove cheating from single examples, other than the most blatant. It is wrong to claim to be able to prove cheating by approaching even a large number of situations with the pre-judged opinion that cheating is going on. It is possible, and appears to be being done, to view hands, formulate a hypothesis, and test the hypothesis on hands not in the original sample. It seems to me that many here, well- intended, have no understanding of what are to those whose jobs entail establishing proofs basic concepts. That isn't surprising. It is dismaying when so many otherwise intelligent people can't seem to grasp these points even when spelled out. I am not referring to disagreeing with me. I have only a semi-educated voice in this, working as I do in areas where I have to examine experts in this type of thinking, such as epidemiologists. In BW, in Woolsey's thread, iirc, a couple of very eminent statisticians pointed out the flaws in how most have approached the issue. It seems that the blood-lust aroused by these threads has overwhelmed logic. Too bad. As I have said before, it isn't FS I am worried about. There is some, sufficient IMO, evidence to convict. It is a fear that the sort of argument that seems to impress so many here can be used against almost anybody that someone decides to accuse of cheating. People tend to act stupidly when they become members of an impassioned group. If this suggestion by me annoys you, too bad....maybe some time in the future, if you ever have the misfortune of being wrongfully accused of something, a bell will go off in the back of your mind and you will finally, too late, understand what I am saying here. I've been there...wrongfully accused of cheating, with a lot of people, including some 'friends' buying into the accusations made by a couple of players who couldn't accept that maybe my partner and I were better players than they were. So I am a little sensitive to seeing bullshit 'reasoning' by statistically illiterates so overtaken by bias that they don't have a clue as to their errors of logic. = = = = = My Comments # 11 on 28th Aug, 2015, I put forward some hypothetical , but possible Cheating Methods Cheating Method 1 : Expert Level Player gets involved in Dealing, Machine Dealt Boards, copies .PBN or .LIN files on pen drive , takes them home and at peace goes through all the deals, makes note of Typical Deals and makes Good Use of this information on the table, every round of 8 to 10 deals, IMP Scoring, 2 deals, where Slam or Game is not possible to bid , but it is Cold or other way round , Slam or Game has to be bid , but it is bound to fail for sure, are Good Enough for your team to give 20-0 Win. Cheating Method 2 : With somebody in Dealing Team or Vu Graf Team, who is willing to compromise integrity, Cheating Expert makes a deal with him ( of course at cost )and gets Dealt Boards .PBN or .LIN files on pen drive, 20-0 victory is assured. Crooks, Cheats, Terrorist, Guerillas their brain is working overtime all the times, trying device new new innovative methods, world is facing brunt everyday, How Bridge can be exception, we are part of this world. We better prepare to counter such destructive methods and stay alive or perish. = = = = = Now it will be impossible to prove if anybody is following above methods. But Simple Scrutiny of Hands Played by that Player and that too on various occasions and in field where there are many Top Level Players have played the same hands, Highly Unusual Bidding and Play by that particular Cheat, should be more than Beyond any Doubts , Good Enough to Prove he has Cheated.

When we were kids 8 years to max say 13 years. 6 or 8 players on same table, 3-3 or 4-4 in each party, sitting alternate. We used play game where trump is to be selected by one party and it is kept hidden till somebody wants to ruff and asks. Now what trump to keep or what suit to play during play could be signalled ( cheating ), officially allowed, but if it is caught by other party and proves correct, all must catch ear and 10 sit ups and that game is lost. And there was penalty for accusing party also, if they challenge and decode it wrong, they catch ears and sit ups. Signals were simple Touch Eye means S, Show Tongue means H, Touch Ear means D and Touch Hair means C. Now the advancement started, first signal is to be ignored, 2nd one correct, and so on, sometimes 1st and 2nd are to be ignored 3rd is correct. Then there were 4 / 5 different sets of 4 Signals, all given code names, e.g. Set 1 = Robin Hood, set 2 = Trazan, set 3 is Gengis Khan and set 4 = John and set 5 = Jack, somebody will say Trazan 3 means this deal Set 2 signalls to be used and ignore 1st and 2nd signal and 3rd one the correct. And One Word Will Be for No Signalling. Say that word is Jesus Christ, when somebody says this word means , this round No Signalling, but we will signal, all wrong and Opps Challange we will take sure penaly. No need to say, normally game used end up in quarrels and fight and losing party vowing to take revenge next day. This was at Kids Level. At Higher Levels, if at all Cheaters want to cheat, they will make things more difficult for others to be able to decode. Use CCTV Cameras or Employ Observers. The Code will be broken in real sense only when the Cheaters themselves would like to disclose it and tell world, See, You Could Not Break It.

quote = = = = Or are people thinking that FS will sue BB for libel and/or slander? = = = = unquote Well Well Well, that will be highly welcome by BB. That officially opens the Pandora's Box. If you stay in Glass House, You don't throw stone on somebody staying in Stone House.

quote = = = = = One thing that is striking is how dependent this is on Vugraph records. I can't help but believe that better record keeping would make life a whole lot better. = = = = = You are bang on Traget. It is very very important, specially when you have to go through archives. I had sent once one appended e mail to BBO Support quote Pune 11-Aapr-2014 Dear Sir, I wanted to study the Vu Graph of hands played in recently concluded Justice J.M.Lal Memorial Championship on 6th Apr, 2014. However I find the records are haphazard ( player’s name are incorrect, sometimes player from other team is playing in opponent team, Also Bidding sequence and deals appeared to have been altered, as few deal I watched, which are not there. I request you to instruct to Vu Graph operators to upload deals accurately and as they were bid and played with all columns completed and not leaving blank. = = = = = unquote I got following reply quote = = = = = = Hi Yogesh, Please contact Buddy Shah, he organizes most of the broadcasts for India. I am not sure if this particular event was organized by Buddy, but even if it wasn't he probably knows who the organizer was and will be able to help with vugraph operator instruction. = = = = = unquote I got busy with other important things in my life and did not pursue the matter further. However, BBO must Instruct Vu Graf Operators, Each and Every Detail of Vu Graf Broadcast is Uploaded Accurately.

but would someone care to explain why? Inky Pinky Ponky, ....... ..... ...... ..... ......, ....... ......... ........., Cx

@ Steve, BB coming up in less than 1 month and with that Transnational attracting variety of mixed crowd from world over, Organizer need to seriously consider and take care about Method No.2 mentioned by me. Method No. 1 is possible only at your Home Ground.

@ 1eyedjack, Sorry, I could not understand what you have to say, can you please explain in normal layman language ?

For Cheating in Bridge Game what all methods can be used ? I narrate one or two methods which come to my mind. Man is a Creature, all the time progressing, it is this thinking ability of Man, has brought Man from Caveman to Present Status. Thinking can be Constructive, for the betterment and Progress of Mankind, at a same time it can Destructive type also. At Local Level Club Tourneys, if there is one Bermuda Level Player and rest normal Exp, Adv, Int and Novice, in Local tournament he will win many times ( nobody will say much ), but not all the times, if it happens all the times , eyebrows will be raised. Same Player and Regional Level or National / International ( Europe International can be as Good as National Level for USA, India ), where there is competition is Tough and Equally Good Players ( Bermuda / National / International Level ) are there, Results should be mixed, but now if One particular player keeps winning hands down, match after match, thrashing other Top Class Teams 20-0, if eyebrows are raised, gossiping starts, there should be no harm, you cannot directly accuse, but investigation / brain storming starts, what is wrong in that ?. I put forward some hypothetical , but possible Cheating Methods Cheating Method 1 : Expert Level Player gets involved in Dealing, Machine Dealt Boards, copies .PBN or .LIN files on pen drive , takes them home and at peace goes through all the deals, makes note of Typical Deals and makes Good Use of this information on the table, every round of 8 to 10 deals, IMP Scoring, 2 deals, where Slam or Game is not possible to bid , but it is Cold or other way round , Slam or Game has to be bid , but it is bound to fail for sure, are Good Enough for your team to give 20-0 Win. Cheating Method 2 : With somebody in Dealing Team or Vu Graf Team, who is willing to compromise integrity, Cheating Expert makes a deal with him ( of course at cost )and gets Dealt Boards .PBN or .LIN files on pen drive, 20-0 victory is assured. Crooks, Cheats, Terrorist, Guerillas their brain is working overtime all the times, trying device new new innovative methods, world is facing brunt everyday, How Bridge can be exception, we are part of this world. We better prepare to counter such destructive methods and stay alive or perish.

Please Note. 3 Players on the table have represented their country in Bermuda Bowl. Arvind Vaidya ( FIGO on BBO ) has not, so his quick thinking deception definitely deserves appreciation.

Play Money Bridge on BBO and you will see lot of funny things GIB Does.

Sorry. Now I hope I have sent link properly. Yogesh

http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&linurl=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=40447

My link Event HCL High Prize Tourney , New Delhi, 21-Aug-2015 Please See Deal No. 3 in Open Room, Killing Defence by Arvind Vaidya. This Hand Experts may Study and short list for Best Defence. Thx n Brgds Yogesh V. Abhyankar ( BBO : captyogi )

Can there be such arrangement in BBO Software settings that UNDO button if made available, in that case it will remain active for Only 5 Sec, if UNDO is not clicked within those 5 sec, it becomes Inactive. Also after every bid there should be delay of 5 sec and next bidder doesn't see anything. This will avoid frictions due to UNDO Request and allow Genuine UNDOs to operate.