arnoldson2

Yes we stole the English regulations, but how we interpret them here often varies. I checked that we interpret them as I wrote, irrespective of what the English federation intended.

Yes so you couldn't play an opening pass as a moderately weak hand, for example 7-10, because that would be values. Basically pass is legal if it includes any/some 0 HCP hands. Bur out of fairness, I feel this part of the range should have reasonable frequency.

I don't have the knowledge required to judge a good system, but my son directed me here to find the people who do. Where I play you can potentially play almost anything for passes and 1m can show anything, e.g. a fert. The restrictions are that pass must not promise values, so it could legally be 2-way. Basically pass is legal if it includes any/some 0 HCP hands The potentially fertish 1m is only legal in a strong (13 or higher+, nothing to stop this being capped, e.g 14-16) 1other minor system. All opening bids must be Ro18+ in 1/2 and 8+ in 3/4, with the exception of the options you get by having a 13+ minor, i.e. the fertish option. Impact: you can't play pass - 1c as a negative for example unless 1D is still showing 13+ WRT the pass I suppose you could legally play it as something like 0 with 9 spades or 16+ and just treat it as 16+ in terms of responses and assume you'll get a bottom whenever you get dealt 0 and 9 spades and noone's opened in front of you - a rare occurrence i suspect, even allowing for the times you're dealer lol. This feels like dirty Secretary Birding though. I feel the weaker range for the pass should not be unreasonably infrequent. Given the above conditions, is a worthwhile system possible? Legal example: 1/2 in hand: pass is 0-8 promising a major or exactly 4M, unbal 9-13 or 6m, no major, 9-13 or bal 12-14 1D: 0-8 no major 1C: any 14+ unbal, 15+ bal 1H/S: 9-13 5cM 1NT: 9-11 2x: all 2 level devoted to weak stuff