wuudturner

Sorry partner, I was just trying for an overtrick.

I suppose that 3!S caters to the hands where South has 5550 shape, or where South has bid 2NT on 5450 shape. Yes, admitttedly, any of these shapes will be rare, but a careful bidder does best to look for those cases. I guess to be serious, my point is there are NO circumstances where bidding 3!S gets us to a good contract, as we can never have a better spade fit than we do the known heart fit. I DO understand the concept of simulation, having written a bridge simulator myself. This is what confuses me, since 3!S will not improve the contract, especially since 3!S lies about the bot's holdings in the red suits!

I was thinking this, that GIB expected more bidding, that 3!S would not be passed, but given the description - that 3!S shows no fit in a red suit, it will surely not lead to a constructive auction. So my point is, the notes are poor - that 3!S explicitly denies a red suit fit. Had the note stated that 3!S is merely forward going, showing say 5+ spades and 10+ total points, then partner will logically bid again. But when you are known NOT to have a fit in a red suit, logic says to pass, to stop in what appears to be a misfit. I'll acknowledge that 4!H need not be cold, even so, 4!H is a contract I would very much like to be in, and I see no reason why GIB would search for a 5-3 spade fit when a 5-4 heart fit is known!

Two hands out of 12 boards: Vulnerable versus not, holding AJ864 QT85 972 2 You (a bot) pass as dealer. LHO opens 1!C, partner bids 2NT, of course unusual showing the red suits. With this hand, does 3!S come to mind here, announced as 10-12 total points, but 2- hearts and 3- diamonds? Will you easily get to your cold game in hearts with that bid? Should partner know that you have such nice hearts? Later on, with nobody vulnerable, you as a bot pick up 8743 A74 2 KQT98 The bidding has gone RHO you LHO Partner 2!S - pass - pass - 3!D pass - pass - Dbl - pass pass - ??? Why take the contract out into 3!H here, showing 4+ hearts and 9-11 points? Should partner know that you have a nice club suit? And, should partner, with a decent diamond suit and T32 in hearts, know that the poor 3-3 fit will not be better than some other place? For a heart bid to be any good here, partner must have a heart suit, coupled with a diamond overcall in the balancing seat. In that case of course, partner might have found some other initial bid. It appears in both cases the bot programming has a serious glitch in it. The bots seem to be making pure point count responses to my bids. They find a bid that fails to describe anything about the hand but the point count value of the hand, whereas shape is completely ignored. Walrus bidding. While i accept that bots are bots, and judgement is a difficult thing to teach to a bot, but these seem to be recent changes, and downhill in terms of quality. John