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Rubberbridge is a luck game, I agree, but how come very good players always win ? And there is also something called Chicago with russian scoring which takes big part of luck away. The following method of scoring Chicago originated in Russia. It eliminates some of the luck of the deal by introducing an element of IMPs scoring. On each deal, there is a target score which depends on the number of high card points held. The cards are played in front of the players, as in duplicate. At the end of the play, the high card points held by each side are counted, according to the following scale: each ace: 4 points each king: 3 points each queen: 2 points each jack: 1 point There are 40 points in all. The team which held more high card points finds its target score, which depends on whether they were vulnerable or not, from the following table High Card Target Points Not Vul. Vulnerable 20 0 0 21 50 50 22 70 70 23 110 110 24 200 290 25 300 440 26 350 520 27 400 600 28 430 630 29 460 660 30 490 690 31 600 900 32 700 1050 33 900 1350 34 1000 1500 35 1100 1650 36 1200 1800 37 1300 1950 38 1300 1950 39 1300 1950 40 1300 1950 The difference between the target score from the above table and the actual score is then converted to IMPs, using the standard IMP table. The total IMP scores over a series of hands are totaled to give an overall result. For example, suppose we are East-West, and on the second deal of a Chicago we bid three hearts and make 10 tricks. We then count our high card points and discover that between us we had 24. We were vulnerable, so our target score from the table was 290. We actually scored 170 (90 for the contract plus 30 for the overtrick plus 50 for the part score). So we are 120 points short of our target. Therefore using the IMP table, our score for this hand is minus 3 IMPs. Mike :D

Must have been a game for less then pennies with a bunch of 90 year olds, and same stuff happens at clubgames where bad competition excist. I am talking about good games. And I know I am right, of the last many Bermuda Bowl winners they are very very few players that don't play rubberbridge. And if that is the level of rubberbridge you play in, don't bother....... Mike :D

Rubberbridge is the only true form of bridge left, where people rely on their playing and defending skills and evaluation of their hand. Commonly known as bridgejudgement. Most of the best bridgeplayers over the length of the game were and still are rubberbridge players. Maybe because it is a way of making money or because it is purest form of bridge. And comparing in this field on BBO is sometimes a joke, if you make 3 NT and you win 7 Imps or so, it's not because you were so good, it's because there are people in 6 and 7 NT going down a bunch, and a lot of time not even X-ed. And playing in big live tournaments is a lot better, especially in topbrackets, but as soon as we are done with that we all go running to a table with few decks a cards and start playing rubberbridge. ;) Mike :unsure:

I think you guys take, Bridge is a biddersgame, a little bit to far. I have come in auction at 3 level with 3 card suit opposite a pd with a passed hand. But to balance with some of the hands you guys gave, I think I should all of you become a member of my Rubberbridge club. I need a whole bunch of new things and some of you are very willing to make me rich I see ;) Mike :D P.S. I agree with Misho for all that didn't get that :)

Personally I would have bid 3http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif over the X, I have a nice 7 card http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif suit am void in their suit, have nice support for pd, and I really don't think I want to play in http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif contract yet. And I would also like to protect that Kof http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif and ruffing with AQ of trump cannot be good unless pd KJ109xx or more. Mike B)

I like 5http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif as Grandslamforce, but to tell me that 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif is something is a little bit too much. And after pd bid 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif where did you the nerve to bid 7? Your pd just told you he wanted to play in 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif and you basically overrulled him/her. I don't think that is good practice. Mike B)

Maybe it would work better if I say that my pd will never pass the X, unless she had 2 of 3 tophonors and 5 card suit, one of her rules being infront of the opener. So in this case is she wud pass, we are collecting a big price. Mike B)

No because that play can easily fail. The sequence of plays has to be timed to reach this ending. If you ruff a second ♦ too early, you will go down. You have to take your ♥ trick (the king-for entry) before ruffing 3rd diamond or else EAST will pitch his singleton ♥ and you end up one trick short. Ben Good thing I have only 2 entrees to dummy, so after http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif finesse I run out of choices. And I would also think that this was standard :D Mike :D

I think that if you need to cheat to win at a game where nothing is to be won, is just the saddest thing ever. I would give them a rope and a chair and if they need somebody to kick the chair from under neat them, I volunteer. B) Mike :D

http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif need to behave, either 3-3 or 4-2 with 4 in East. Good thing they lead a http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif, solves that problem. My gut tells me to play 3 high http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif. Mike B)

I have AQ of a suit I might be void in and a void in opps suit. Questions is going to be 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif or 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif. I don't know this pd's style but I think 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif is best contract, if pd corrects to 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif we'll play it there. Mike B)

I play perfect before midnite, after that I am doing everything that bridgegods hate, even though some of you still consider that bridge too B) Mike :D

Wow, people must be really scared of this hand. Last try. Mike B)

Wouldn't it be alot easier when saying http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif finesse needs to work and x-ruff B) Mike :D

I am playing 1http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif opener for 3-2-2-6, with the 10 of http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif by his pd. But at this part where I am right now I play a http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif from dummy and whatever East does I duck. Mike B)

6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif goes down while 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif is icecold. Pd's hand http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif x http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif K http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif KQxxx http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif AKQxxx North is void in http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif, so with a lightner X 6http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif goes down 2. Mike B)

Is there anyway we can delete subs from sublist ? I have subs in sublist that when asked to sub they deny and I am stuck replacing players. And also have subs that are on sublist when playing in another tourney, maybe have them automatically removed when they join new tourney ? Mike :)

I like wild hands but haven't seen any lately. Mike :rolleyes:

Maybe that's the reason why during unclocked events things run a lot smoother. Mike :rolleyes:

Like the tourney for one reason mostly. If players do bad they want to leave and during regular tourneys many do, leaving director in a mess trying to find subs. For playing in it, if I do bad I will be dropped out soon and can do other things. Mike :rolleyes:

I think 4 min a brd is perfect, still gives me time to go smoke a cigarette and go to the bar to order some more beers before I start next round. Mike :rolleyes:

Playing in Indi's are a lot of fun. I try to play my pd's stats but so do my pd's sometimes which then have me playing sayc and my pd plays 2/1, lots of fun. And as for the SAYC only tourneys I think that was my thread. I am still trying to figure out a way to post a CC for all players to use. Maybe I just put it on a website and people can download it from there. Mike :rolleyes:

At least when you enter a fee tournament most players will be serious and not ask to leave after playing 2 or 3 hands because they found a better game or just didn't feel like playing anymore. And as for disconnection, you pay you play and if disconnected you still pay but don't play nomore :rolleyes: Mike :rolleyes:

And I very very much agree with you. I play against people that sit down and use 5 minutes to discuss all the things they play. And when we start playing they screw up about half of the conventions. I really think that is too funny. Bridge is most of all a judgement game. I am a big fan of rubberbridge where you play almost no conventions. Keep it simple and walk away with the money :rolleyes: Mike :rolleyes:

Drury, Lebensohl something against opps NT opening and Carding. Mike :rolleyes: