99% 2/1 open 1D min 4 1C 2+ inv minors 4thSforcing and NewMinorForce = min 11+ and not necessarily GF Michaels Ghestem Ogust greatly prefer Rubensohl over Lebensohl (over opp interference of our 1NT) and regular Lebensohl when partner doubles opp 2-weak opening Discards: upside down mostly attitude I have the attitude that with new p misunderstandings are normal and should be discussed I also play AMBRA the system Garozzo and Italians play including GAZZILLI (the opener shows 17+ hands by a normal reverse or a rebid of 2C) In Gazzilli the 2C rebid by opener is equivalent to a 17+HCP as is precision 1C) you can read about it on internet my email is m.mohnblatt@bell.net