SenseiCAY

Thanks for the input, everyone. I do understand that 25 HCP is not an ironclad requirement for game, and I'll look into Bergen raises and LTC.

Hi, all, First post here. I'm just starting to learn precision after a brief stint with 2/1 and about a year and a half of SAYC. This question bugged me a little bit when I was playing SAYC, and now bugs me royally as I'm learning a precision system. In SAYC and 2/1, a jump raise to 3♥/3♠ over a 1-level major opener is a limit raise showing 10-12 points and 4-card support, as I'm sure you know. With only 12-13 and otherwise balanced, opener would pass. With 14, it's a little sticky, but I'd probably raise to game (this is the part that bugged me...if responder has only 10 points, game is borderline, but still a good gamble, I think), and with 15+, we're going to game, at least. With 3-card support and 10-12 points in 2/1, the responder would bid a forcing 1NT and then go to 3 of the major on the next bid. So in our precision system, major openings are 11-15 HCP and 5 cards. If my partner opens a major, what is my limit raise range? I've heard 10-13 with 4-card support, but that seems wide to me. Obviously with only 11, opener passes. However, 12 facing 10 is a shady game bid, while 12 facing 13 is a good bet for game, so it's very possible to miss game if I pass what I consider to be a minimum hand facing a limit raise, especially since there's no way to ask the responder to be more specific. Intuition tells me that 11-13 might work better, since it's effectively the same as 10-12 facing a 12+ HCP opening hand. So here's the simple question: for you precision players, what's your limit raise description, and if not 11-15, what's your major opening range?