Meanwhile, here is a third lesson GIB needs to learn: In 2/1, bidding 1N Forcing absolutely denies 4+ spades, even by a passed hand, even when you have a limit raise of hearts. The auction can go 1H 1S 1N 3H to show a limit raise with 3 hearts and 4+ spades. I have two recent examples of this in screenshots, but I don't know how to insert a jpg here in the forum. One can be seen at http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?myhand=M-5240166-1349136301 Please inform GIB to NEVER bid 1N over 1H with 4+ spades, let alone SIX of them.