It occurs to me you might know the method by a different name - I'm talking about xfer responses to 1 club. Traditionally (I thought) pre-transfers you would raise partner's major response on 3 cards holding a 5431 shape if minimum and pattern out with extras, e.g. 1C - 1H - 2H could be 3 and 1C - 1H - 1S - 1NT - 2H shows a 5431 shape with extra values. Obviously you could do the same thing in t-walsh and raise to the 2 level on 5431s, but everywhere I see the 2 level raise marked as 4 cards. Is this just lazy typing and they're really raising on 3 after all or does the patterning out route no longer show extras? If it doesn't show extras I would think you would end up in difficulties on many deals, so is there a solution? ta