Ryan

Two observations, here. 1) Any players at any table should have the right to allow or disallow kib chat at their discretion. Kibs are guests at any table, and players are--and should be--allowed to invite them or not, as they wish. Kibs may be excluded at any time for any reason, at the absolute whim of the players involved or at the whim of their tourny host or his representative. The "atmosphere" present in any table's kib chat is the sole province of the players or their representatives to control and to maintain. 2) The moderator of JEC kib chat has repeatedly stressed that he desires that kibs participate, in an collegeate atmosphere in which kibs and players alike feel comfortable. The current treatment that some kibs have received is hardly conducive to that stated goal. It is in that spirit that several JEC kibs have complained.