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Clustering responder's hands should depend on what is known about opener's hand. Opposite a standardish 1♠ opener it makes a great difference whether responder has 2 or 3 spades; if he has 3 or more spades it's not that important whether he has 3 or 6 diamonds.

Well I just googled "ruffing values" and the first two examples were doubletons, so I don't know which universe you're in.

I made the wrong call anyway and the defence in this case was fairly straightforward. I am a friendly polite person who asked a polite and friendly question as always First bid was takeout or negative whatever - double up to game level are takeout - after that whatever. Below game they mean bid something usually a suit not yet bid Second was how you choose to take it. I took it to have chances either way which there were. 1 trick. It actually scored positive either way too Good luck to one of the regular bullies trying to tell me the system I have played for years - but I was asking for some friendly chat not a fight. But you tell me what that bid means - it could be either like I said. Thanks to those who gave me their kind considerations rather than taking opportunity to have a go :) there was no need for anyone to be unnecessarily aggressive or obnoxious. The only reason I occasionally ask some people to leave me alone is that they have a problem they need to deal with. Learn manners and politeness and you can talk to me. I was accused wrongly of attacking people offering advice but why should I put up with unnecessary attacks like above :( [HV=https://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=st||pn|thepossum,~~M13185,~~M13183,~~M13184|md|4S2HAJ43DK73CAJT75,SKT975HK6DJT64CK9,SAH9852DAQ982CQ43,SQJ8643HQT7D5C862|sv|b|rh||ah|Board%2010|mb|P|mb|1C|an|Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20!C;%2011-21%20HCP;%2012-22%20total%20points|mb|1S|an|One-level%20overcall%20--%205+%20!S;%208-17%20HCP;%209-19%20total%20points%20|mb|D|an|Negative%20double%20--%204+%20!H;%205+%20HCP;%206+%20total%20points%20|mb|4S|an|Unbalanced%20--%205+%20!S;%2011-%20HCP;%206-12%20total%20points%20|mb|P|mb|P|mb|D|an|4+%20!H;%2012+%20HCP;%2013+%20total%20points%20|mb|P|mb|5H|an|3+%20!C;%2011-21%20HCP;%20biddable%20!H;%2012-22%20total%20points|mb|P|mb|P|mb|P|pc|DJ|pc|DA|pc|D5|pc|D3|pc|H2|pc|H7|pc|H3|pc|HK|pc|D6|pc|D2|pc|HT|pc|D7|pc|C6|pc|CA|pc|C9|pc|C3|pc|S2|pc|S5|pc|SA|pc|S8|pc|H5|pc|HQ|pc|HA|pc|H6|pc|HJ|pc|ST|pc|H8|pc|S6|pc|C7|pc|CK|pc|C4|pc|C2|pc|S9|pc|H9|pc|S4|pc|C5|mc|10|]400|300[/HV]