hi MrAce, I love the challenge of a difficult hand, and I'd wish I was as quick at analysing these problems as some players, but this is an interesting point in itself, having knowledge of GIB (for example, the ♦ finesse is losing, ♥s are probably 4-1, etc.) is probably making this into a double dummy hand where a player will make a 'contrived' (for want of a better word) play well below the standard odds of let's say a 50% finesse for example, to achieve success. It's great having knowledge of GIB, and knowing that it will make things as difficult as possible for you, but if the odds of success are dependent on a layout of the cards that occurs, let's say just 10% of the time as a random figure, surely you are playing against the odds only because it is GIB. If West had bid ♦s on this hand, then many declarers would make the assumption that the ♦ finesse will lose and find this alternative line. Fair enough. That is information provided in the bidding - that's different than knowing how a bridge robot works (without bidding). The point I'm making is because you are familiar with GIB, you are now probably playing the hand differently than if you were playing against humans. And that's probably a talking point in itself. And yes, it'll be great to see the whole hand soon. My brain is well and truly fried on this problem!